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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote:
A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! -- Bod |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
In message , Bod
writes On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...d-deaths-injur ies-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! Surely there are a couple of Poles or Romanians who will do the job for a tiny fraction of £800,000? -- Ian |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 10:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bod writes On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area willÂ* stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â* Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13Â* new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves herÂ* dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found thatÂ* the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven outÂ* of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath andÂ* North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â* Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...d-deaths-injur ies-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! Surely there are a couple of Poles or Romanians who will do the job for a tiny fraction of £800,000? A lot of truth in your answer. -- Bod |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 10:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
Bod wrote Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area willÂ* stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...d-deaths-injur ies-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! Surely there are a couple of Poles or Romanians who will do the job for a tiny fraction of £800,000? Sorry, has to be done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dB4YnLSsE |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18/12/2017 09:59, Bod wrote:
On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! The findings won't stop 'pressure groups' demanding more such zones or councils introducing them- leading to more unnecessary injuries and deaths. Obviously there are instances of bad driving- including of course driving under the influence etc.- and no one is suggesting they shouldn't be dealt with. However, introducing measures which are not only known to fail but be harmful is more than ridiculous. |
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Reducing speed to 20mph created more deaths than injuries
Brian Reay posted
On 18/12/2017 09:59, Bod wrote: On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. What a pity the report doesn't cite the actual numbers of accidents. Perhaps they are so insignificant that no inferences can be drawn. Perhaps in the wards where accidents increased, they increased by only one each, while in the ward where they decreased, they decreased by 10 each. Perhaps the annual variations in accident numbers were large *before* the 20mph limits were introduced, perhaps much larger than the variations after introduction. Which would suggest that several more years of data are needed. Â*Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...ed-deaths-inju ries-council-cant-afford-scrap-7167628/?ito=cbshare -- Jack |
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Reducing speed to 20mph created more deaths than injuries
On 19/12/17 09:25, Handsome Jack wrote:
Brian Reay posted On 18/12/2017 09:59, Bod wrote: On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in theÂ* 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she lovesÂ* her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has foundÂ* that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up inÂ* seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017Â* by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. What a pity the report doesn't cite the actual numbers of accidents. Perhaps they are so insignificant that no inferences can be drawn. Perhaps in the wards where accidents increased, they increased by only one each, while in the ward where they decreased, they decreased by 10 each. Perhaps the annual variations in accident numbers were large *before* the 20mph limits were introduced, perhaps much larger than the variations after introduction. Which would suggest that several more years of data are needed. Quite. If the death rate was so high that it is possible to notice a change just one year after the alterations, it seems that they had a much bigger problem to solve than putting in 20 limits. Even if they can find something statistically significant after just a year, perhaps it is because it takes time for people to adjust to the changes. For instance, perhaps they find their old crossing points are no longer convenient or optimum and they have to find new ones. But is 20mph the only change that has been introduced? How about changes outside the zones that have moved traffic into them? Light controlled crossings, perhaps? - these encourage risk taking amongst people that don't want to stand and wait. But if the changes make people *feel* safer to be out and about, then in one respect, it must be considered a success. Residential roads that feel intimidating can't be a valid safety measure. |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On 18-Dec-17 9:59 AM, Bod wrote:
On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. Â*Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! They are talking of 20mph zones. A 20mph speed limit can be reversed simply by issuing the necessary traffic order and removing the signs. A 20mph zone has to be designed to be self-enforcing, which means lots of traffic calming measures. Those would also need to be removed and the roads restored to their former condition to reverse a 20mph zone. -- -- Colin Bignell |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 5:36:34 PM UTC, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Dec-17 9:59 AM, Bod wrote: On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Â*Â*Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend.. Â*Â*The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! They are talking of 20mph zones. A 20mph speed limit can be reversed simply by issuing the necessary traffic order and removing the signs. A 20mph zone has to be designed to be self-enforcing, which means lots of traffic calming measures. Those would also need to be removed and the roads restored to their former condition to reverse a 20mph zone. -- -- Colin Bignell Holy Cow, talk about a blast from the past. Have you heard anything from Huge Davies or Steve Firth recently? |
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Reducing speed to 20mph ‘created more deaths than injuries’ but council can’t afford to scrap them
"Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 18-Dec-17 9:59 AM, Bod wrote: On 18/12/2017 09:41, Bod wrote: A council has said that 20mph zones recently introduced in its area will stay despite a rise in the number of deaths and injuries. Bath and North East Somerset Council spent £871,000 bringing in the 13 new speed zones just 12 months ago. Woman openly admits she loves her dog more than her only child But one year on, a report has found that the rate of people killed or seriously injured has gone up in seven out of the 13 new 20mph zones. The report, published in May 2017 by Bath and North East Somerset Council, says this is a national trend. The council suggests people are ‘less diligent’ when walking and crossing roads within the zones, because they think they are safer. Deputy council leader Councillor Patrick Anketell-Jones has admitted there simply isn’t the money available to reverse the 20mph zones. http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/18/reduci...8/?ito=cbshare The Council said "it would cost £800,000 to remove the signs" That's a ridiculous amount! They are talking of 20mph zones. A 20mph speed limit can be reversed simply by issuing the necessary traffic order and removing the signs. A 20mph zone has to be designed to be self-enforcing, which means lots of traffic calming measures. Those would also need to be removed and the roads restored to their former condition to reverse a 20mph zone. but do they absolutely need to be? the road outside my estate has speed calming humps, but the speed limit is still 30 mph tim |
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