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Toll to drive downtown?
http://sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/..._ne01_toll.txt
Toll to drive downtown? Supe suggests fee to drive in congested area. By Justin Nyberg Staff Writer Published: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:46 AM PST San Francisco would become the first city in the nation to charge drivers just for driving in its chronically congested downtown under a sure-to-be controversial proposal being aired today. Supervisor Jake McGoldrick, chair of the San Francisco Transportation Authority, will ask the agency to study a downtown toll zone -- whereby drivers would need to purchase a daily pass to drive in The City's most congested streets -- as a potential solution to the Municipal Transportation Agency's woeful budget problems. "The key issue here is if we can kill three birds with one stone -- relieve congestion, clean up the air, and give money to Muni -- we would have hit a home run," McGoldrick said. Modeled on similar "congestion charging" zones in London, cameras would record license plates and tickets would be issued for motorists who failed to purchase a pass. The intent is for drivers to pick other routes, avoid coming downtown or switch to Muni, which would travel more efficiently in the faster flowing streets. "When you have a situation where traffic is not moving, Muni is not moving," McGoldrick said. "If we are ever going to get Muni to move, we are going to have to get those cars out of there." Traffic in downtown San Francisco streets has been an intractable problem since the day the Bay Bridge opened in 1936. Several downtown streets are consistently rated "F" by the Department of Parking and Traffic for low travel speeds at rush hour. The study would determine the size of the toll zone, how much money it would generate and how much congestion it could eliminate. McGoldrick's proposal comes at a politically opportune time, with Muni considering a controversial 25 cent raise in fares, and transit activists mounting an increasingly vocal campaign to shift Muni's budget difficulties away from the people who ride the buses. Several long-term solutions to Muni's budget deficit have also been floated over the past few months, including the creation of a downtown "assessment district," which would essentially impose an additional tax on property owners. But that would have to be approved by two-thirds of the voters in that district and, if it were to pass, the money would not be seen for at least a year. Additional longer term options include other taxes -- including an environmental impact fee for vehicles driving in The City; a local vehicle registration fee; an increase in the parking tax; a special parcel tax on properties within The City; and a local gas tax. All of those options would require approval by San Francisco voters, the Board of Supervisors or the California Legislature. Sean Comey, spokesman for the American Automobile Association in San Francisco, said a downtown toll zone would unfairly punish commuters who can't take public transit. "I don't think its going to get too much further than concept," he said. Lee Blitch, president of the San Francisco Chamber of Commerce, worried the extra expense and hassle to get to downtown could hurt business. "We are trying to get out of the recession, but go back into it," Blitch said. Staff writer Marisa Lagos contributed to this report. Street Avg. evening speeds Congestion rating First Street between Market and Harrison streets 2.6 mph F Fourth Street between Market and Harrison streets 9.8 mph D Fifth Street between Market and Brannan streets 6.3 mph F Sixth Street between Market and Brannan streets 4.4 mph F Third Street between China Basin and Market Street 7.3 mph E Source: Department of Parking and Transportation Email: -- 54% of New York City households do not own cars M A R T I N K R I E G : "Awake Again" Author http://www.bikeroute.com/AwakeAgain Bent Since '83, Car Free Since '89, '79 & '86 TransAms******** Coma, Paralysis, Clinical Death Survivor* Can You Change it with Love?* N A T I O N A L B I C Y C L E G R E E N W A Y |
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Cycle America wrote:
http://sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/..._ne01_toll.txt London is the most recent and well-publicized example of this, but other cities like Hong Kong have been doing it for a long time. Despite the tolls they're still gridlocked -- apparently using a motor vehicle is still valuable enough. So this isn't the answer. I've read that bike sales went way up when London's tolls started though. Matt O. |
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"Cycle America" wrote: (clip)Toll to drive downtown? (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ One of SF's main industry is tourism. Lest's see whether such a program produces enough income to offset the losses to the city's hotels, restaurants and retail businesses. |
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Leo Lichtman wrote:
One of SF's main industry is tourism. Lest's see whether such a program produces enough income to offset the losses to the city's hotels, restaurants and retail businesses. I don't even bother renting a car whenever I visit SF on business. The transit system is a little bit confusing for outsiders like me what with multiple transit providers and modes, but I've still managed to figure out how to get where I need to go. I have to admit the trains in SF are about the most unpleasant I've been on, very much fitting the stereotype that only mentally ill people and criminals take transit. I've walked between the Moscone Center to Fisherman's Wharf. I carry a little bag of candy bars for the panhandlers and I've wandered around late at night without getting mugged. I've played tourist in Chicago several times with my family, taking Amtrak into Chicago from downstate then transit and walking to the museum areas. RFM |
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"Cycle America" wrote in message ... http://sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/..._ne01_toll.txt Toll to drive downtown? Supe suggests fee to drive in congested area. By Justin Nyberg Staff Writer Published: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:46 AM PST San Francisco would become the first city in the nation to charge drivers just for driving in its chronically congested downtown under a sure-to-be controversial proposal being aired today. Greetings from London. The charge is generally reckoned a success here. The charge zone is to be expanded westward in a few years time. There is talk of the charge being raised from five pounds per day to eight pounds. There are demands to make the rather cumbersome ways of paying simpler, but TfL (Transport for London) reckons that simplifying the system would increase traffic enough to require increasing the charge by ten more pounds to compensate. They've chosen a nice way of hassling the rich more than the poor, I guess. Traffic went down by about 15%, as planned, but the amount of money coming in is not as great as expected. Those sneaky delivery people didn't use random vehicles when delivering, but stuck to the one vehicle that had paid the toll for the day. Motorcycles don't pay a charge. The cameras can't take pictures of their plates. There are one or two streets still usually congested. The Strand is one. I suppose taking a couple of lanes away to make bus lanes and wider sidewalks might have been a factor. Oxford St is also pretty crowded. Except at night cars are not allowed onOxford St at all, only buses, taxis, and bikes. I guess that makes it the one street where the congestion charge couldn't help it. Edinburgh has plans to introduce a scheme, cost two pounds. They've just been holding a referendum about it. Counting is still underway. The result is expected to be close, but defeat is reckoned to be more probable than passage. There may not be any city yet in the US with a congestion charge, but Manhattan, with all those bridge tolls, is not far off something similar Jeremy Parker London |
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"Matt O'Toole" wrote London is the most recent and well-publicized example of this, but other cities like Hong Kong have been doing it for a long time. Despite the tolls they're still gridlocked -- apparently using a motor vehicle is still valuable enough. So this isn't the answer. I've read that bike sales went way up when London's tolls started though. Matt O. London is apparently less gridlocked than before, which is progress of a sort. Bike sales did go up, bicycle travel is up, more people are walking, and more people are using mass transit / taxis. It's not a complete solution, but it's an improvement over the previous situation. -- mark |
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Jeremy Parker wrote:
There may not be any city yet in the US with a congestion charge, We're paying with our time.... lots of it. We're not a very smart lot. Rich |
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On 2005-02-16 09:05:56 -0800, "Leo Lichtman"
said: "Cycle America" wrote: (clip)Toll to drive downtown? (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ One of SF's main industry is tourism. Lest's see whether such a program produces enough income to offset the losses to the city's hotels, restaurants and retail businesses. Well... downtown at rush hour isn't typically the most frequently visited tourist spot. "Hey, let's go do a drive by of Sansome & Montgomery at 5 PM!" probably isn't the first thing. Fisherman's wharf is hardly downtown. |
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