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On Sat, 30 May 2020 15:45:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 5/29/2020 8:55 PM, John B. wrote: I thought that the U.S. was, well, bragging about all the tests. More than any other country in the world. Well, one weird guy and those deluded by him may be bragging about all the U.S. COVID tests. But please don't equate him or them with the country as a whole. Well... Y'all picked him. Now y'all gotta live with him :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:47:34 PM UTC-7, AnotherJim wrote:
I'm hesitant to step into this mud war, but here's a straightforward graph, compiled from government data by Yale Medical school: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ss-deaths-may/ It compares COVID 19 deaths and total recent deaths to expected deaths from historical data. It shows that COVID 19 deaths in excess of expected flu, etc., deaths and that the COVID 19 tabulations are most likely underestimated. Jim Jim, in order to get that site you have to subscribe and I already get 50 advertisements to every real post. But none of that information most of which is based on the John Hopkins Covid-19 Dashboard is even vaguely true. If you look at https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html at the bottom right you will see the confirmed cases as a linear line. If you look at the daily cases it show virtually an equal number of cases each day. This is not how a disease spreads - it is exponential. One infection gives it to many who in turn give it to many. And Linear function means that the information is irrational. If you look at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nchs-data.html you can see what is happening. The total deaths as shown by death certificates is actually below normal. And that red line are the "reported" Wuhan Virus deaths. As you see, they are supposedly shooting through the ceiling while total deaths are not changing. How can this occur? Because the CDC awards hospitals that report covid-19 deaths a subsidy to pay for additional cleanup of the areas in which the patients could have infected. (I have heard that this is $37,000 each but cannot verify it). NO ONE is going to hospitals and we have hospitals even in New York City close to bankruptcy and here in California actually closing so that is a profit center that cannot be ignored. So the reason that total deaths are not rising while covid-19 deaths appear to be spiking is because they simply assign the Wuhan virus to any death. They do not have enough tests to go around and pneumonia that is the largest killer of old people has similar symptoms so just assign that and perhaps save your hospital and its entire staff. Now I cannot find it presently but there is an update to last week and the total death tolls rose to - wait for it - NORMAL levels. But the charts are actually jiggered so that it doesn't appear so. They show Total Deaths and you can push a button that shows Total Deaths Without Covid-19. It appears that there has been a LOT of covid-19 deaths. Wait, that chart is a year long and there appears to be the same reduction in total deaths when you switch to the Deaths Without. Looking closer what you find is that these two charts are made to a different scale! This has been done purposely to mislead people that this is a dangerous disease. But we discover elsewhere that the TOTAL death rates of people WITH SYMPTONS (this is only 5% of the total population) is only 0.06%. All of this is astonishing and gives absolutely no support to the fascistic closure of the entire economy in Blue States. To repeat myself - an operating room mask is designed to protect a patient from bacterial infections and not viruses. Viruses are so small that wearing a mask is like trying to stop flies from entering your house with an open front door. If you are an infected person you have an entire cloud of viruses floating around you that is renewed with every breath. These particles are far too light to fall out of the air and as you move inside of a building you leave a trail of them behind you. A person could walk though that cloud a full minute later and it is theoretically possible he could be infected. So neither masks nor personal distancing inside a building do any good at all. Outside the motion of the wind quickly dissipates and dilutes the virus particles and sunshine kills them. So in the one case it is useless and in the other it is unnecessary. These are things that a first year med student is supposed to know. Why did Fauci reverse himself from common medical knowledge to "wear a mask and social distancing"? We have been completely betrayed by the HHSA and the CDC who are supposed to keep us properly informed. Why? |
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On 30/05/2020 21.47, AnotherJim wrote:
I'm hesitant to step into this mud war, but here's a straightforward graph, compiled from government data by Yale Medical school: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ss-deaths-may/ It compares COVID 19 deaths and total recent deaths to expected deaths from historical data. It shows that COVID 19 deaths in excess of expected flu, etc., deaths and that the COVID 19 tabulations are most likely underestimated. On related note, it's been speculated in the UK that COVID-19 is actually increasing the lifespan of under 30 males. They don't tend to die of COVID-19, and they are less likely to die in RTAs these days :-) |
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On 30/05/2020 23.13, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2020 08:54:43 +0100, Tosspot wrote: On 29/05/2020 23.51, John B. wrote: snip Of course it is, you fool. It is the Yellow Buffoon in the White House trying to eliminate all the Democrats so he can be re-elected. (and it's taken you all these months to realize it) Point of order, Orange. As in https://transparent-aluminium.net/wp...st-Signs-2.jpg Hmmmm Red in this picture https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/19...-ties-with-who The aquarium cleaner isn't doing him any favours. Damn that man looks unwell. |
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John B. wrote:
On Sat, 30 May 2020 08:54:43 +0100, Tosspot wrote: On 29/05/2020 23.51, John B. wrote: snip Of course it is, you fool. It is the Yellow Buffoon in the White House trying to eliminate all the Democrats so he can be re-elected. (and it's taken you all these months to realize it) Point of order, Orange. As in https://transparent-aluminium.net/wp...st-Signs-2.jpg Hmmmm Red in this picture https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/19...-ties-with-who Do keep us posted what the lab verdicts are on this intriguing story: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/1926384/these-eggs-are-fake-says-angry-buyer Fake pharma-orange or red-pilled natural pale yellow? Powdery gel or jelly powder omelette? Fake egg or fed unsold meat? Red-faction Thai's mask or egg on greedy buyer's face? https://www.dsm.com/markets/anh/en_US/products/products-solutions/products_solutions_tools/digital-yolkfan.html |
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On 5/31/2020 2:46 AM, Tosspot wrote:
On 30/05/2020 23.13, John B. wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2020 08:54:43 +0100, Tosspot wrote: On 29/05/2020 23.51, John B. wrote: snip Of course it is, you fool. It is the Yellow Buffoon in the White House trying to eliminate all the Democrats so he can be re-elected. (and it's taken you all these months to realize it) Point of order, Orange. As in https://transparent-aluminium.net/wp...st-Signs-2.jpg Hmmmm Red in this picture https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/19...-ties-with-who The aquarium cleaner isn't doing him any favours. Damn that man looks unwell. oh dear lord, that pool cleaner poisoning was a murder and she had a prior attempt on him. It's utterly unrelated. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 12:45:45 AM UTC-7, Tosspot wrote:
On 30/05/2020 21.47, AnotherJim wrote: I'm hesitant to step into this mud war, but here's a straightforward graph, compiled from government data by Yale Medical school: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ss-deaths-may/ It compares COVID 19 deaths and total recent deaths to expected deaths from historical data. It shows that COVID 19 deaths in excess of expected flu, etc., deaths and that the COVID 19 tabulations are most likely underestimated. On related note, it's been speculated in the UK that COVID-19 is actually increasing the lifespan of under 30 males. They don't tend to die of COVID-19, and they are less likely to die in RTAs these days :-) It's also been speculated that it will increase the average lifespan for the next 30 years, And it you understood statistics you'd realize that is more probable. |
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Your response to me:
"If you look at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nchs-data.html you can see what is happening. The total deaths as shown by death certificates is actually below normal. And that red line are the "reported" Wuhan Virus deaths. As you see, they are supposedly shooting through the ceiling while total deaths are not changing. How can this occur? Because the CDC awards hospitals that report covid-19 deaths a subsidy to pay for additional cleanup of the areas in which the patients could have infected. (I have heard that this is $37,000 each but cannot verify it)." The data shown on the plot your reference is from the first week in April. Looking at the table for May 29 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm one sees that the total deaths for the first week of April were actually 69,000, 10,000 higher than the previous month. The site also clearly says that death data have a built-in delay and are updated as needed. So, the data you site are inaccurate because the were preliminary and are dated. As for the $37,000 incentive to lie or exaggerate: death certificates are signed by individual doctors not hospitals. You are saying that the doctors have either entered into a massive conspiracy on behalf of hospitals, or that hospitals are coercing the thousands of doctors into lying. Pretty impossible. |
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On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:21:34 PM UTC-7, AnotherJim wrote:
Your response to me: "If you look at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...nchs-data.html you can see what is happening. The total deaths as shown by death certificates is actually below normal. And that red line are the "reported" Wuhan Virus deaths. As you see, they are supposedly shooting through the ceiling while total deaths are not changing. How can this occur? Because the CDC awards hospitals that report covid-19 deaths a subsidy to pay for additional cleanup of the areas in which the patients could have infected. (I have heard that this is $37,000 each but cannot verify it)." The data shown on the plot your reference is from the first week in April.. Looking at the table for May 29 https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm one sees that the total deaths for the first week of April were actually 69,000, 10,000 higher than the previous month. The site also clearly says that death data have a built-in delay and are updated as needed. So, the data you site are inaccurate because the were preliminary and are dated. As for the $37,000 incentive to lie or exaggerate: death certificates are signed by individual doctors not hospitals. You are saying that the doctors have either entered into a massive conspiracy on behalf of hospitals, or that hospitals are coercing the thousands of doctors into lying. Pretty impossible. If you look at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm Why do you suppose that the upper boundaries for excess deaths for last year at this time would be 1,000 weekly deaths higher? Moreover, we know that essentially ALL of the excess deaths are from people 60 years and older and with serious preexisting conditions. How do you separate those who were expected to die of natural causes from those who die from natural causes and are Wuhan Virus positive? Do you find it somehow worthy of mention that more people died It the April weeks after months of shut-downs and in the meantime, the prediction is for approximately 37,000 excess suicide deaths this year? And that they are occurring right now and are not publicized? https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/ho...9-death-count/ This appears to show the payments being 13,000 + 35,000 if they are ventilated. You cannot put a patient on a ventilator save under direct medical supervision - a hospital. Most of those dying are put on a ventilator. Not purposely miscounting? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/115126...irus-lockdown/ https://reason.com/2020/05/11/does-q...r-a-denialist/ I saw several interviews in which nurses said that during the night shift that people had died and the doctors had written in the cause of death. And the next day these doctors were called in an "asked" by the hospital administrator to change the cause of death to covid-19. I do not suspect that this was politically motivated but entirely financial since at this time MOST of the hospitals in this country are approaching bankruptcy because all elective surgery has stopped. A large percentage of these surgeries are cancer related and without cancer treatment a large number of people can be expected to die. This is a significant number since 500,000 people die each year in the US from Cancer. It turns out that there are only a small percentage of people have postmortem examinations and so covid-19 would not be questioned and that illness has symptoms almost the same as vital pneumonia - the source of most of the deaths in people over 60. I think you're attempting to connect the financial motivations of hospitals to the political motivations of the Democrat Party who feel that the worst condition this country is in the better their chances in the election. |
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