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Peter Fox
$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador? Griff Rhys Jones was wheeling around on his bike doing links in the recent series of Restoration - sometimes his riding seemed to suffer in order to get to point X by word Y, though... Disappointing to see CTC appoint a pavement-cycling 'get them off the roads' head. Can't some CTC members start a vote to reverse it? -- MJR/slef Somerset, England. |
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Following on from burt's message. . .
AHD is yet another helmet obsessive. He wears one on his recumbent and it's his trademark! Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces. Anyone who blindly accepts that helmets work doesn't have a brain, and can't be bothered with little things like evidence. Hold on! Speaking as a virulent /anti-compulsion/ and anti-assumption that Hs do any good /in accidents/ person, I object to that facile and silly statement. [Discussion continues ad infinitum....] -- PETER FOX Not the same since the bottom fell out of the bucket business www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists |
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"Peter Fox" wrote in message ... Following on from burt's message. . . AHD is yet another helmet obsessive. He wears one on his recumbent and it's his trademark! Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces. Anyone who blindly accepts that helmets work doesn't have a brain, and can't be bothered with little things like evidence. Hold on! Speaking as a virulent /anti-compulsion/ and anti-assumption that Hs do any good /in accidents/ person, I object to that facile and silly statement. [Discussion continues ad infinitum....] -- PETER FOX Not the same since the bottom fell out of the bucket business www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists Nice bit of cutting Peter, since I never said any of the above! |
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burt wrote:
"wafflycat" wrote in message ... The CTC has made an unwise move, I think. According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is the new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett steps down. This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard & Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take before this comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside when the media picks up on how the CTC has a president who thinks cyclists should be kept off the roads, yet at the same time supporting Daniel Cadden, a CTC member who was fined for cycling on the road. Mixed messages from the CTC, anyone? I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust. Cheers, helen s I'm not impressed either! The following is a letter to "Cycle" the CTC mag, which I've just emailed to the editor. I would suggest that there is also a council (chair: Jill Kieran) of the CTC who should be written to. If people feel strongly that Snow is inappropriate, the council appears to be the place to address the questions. "Dear sir, I read with some disappointment of the accession of Jon Snow to the position of President of my club......................... Well written letter given your point of view. I don't feel as strongly as burt or wafflycat, but would appreciate some clarification over the comments made by Snow in the R&J interview. I'm also not convinced by some of the suggested names, though one or two might work. The CTC needs someone other than a retired top athelete at the head; the organisation needs people who ride to the shops as normal everyday activity. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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Another hat in the ring, what about Alexi Sayle? well know for cycling roiund London, never seen him wear a helmet, opinionated, well known, well informed and funny :-) I'm certainly not sure about JS at the moment, I think we need to see what he's got to say about THAt interview, as I'm sure it will be brought up countless times. Bryan -- Bryan |
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In article . com
David Martin wrote: How about Griff Rhys Jones? Managed to take his emminently sensible hybrid everywhere on Restoration Village, wearing normal clothes and not a 'specialist' piece of gear in sight. Made no fuss about the bike, it was just there and normal. I didn't see that, but he sounds like a good candidate. |
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"burt" wrote: And I've just responded: Your email accusing me of being pro-helmet arrived just days after correspondence accusing me (and the magazine) of being anti-helmetŠ I am answerable to CTC Coucil via the magazine editorial committee on this matter, as on all others. As for an article questioning the effectiveness of helmets, see Aug-Sep 03, p26-27. All the best Dan Joyce I'm not impressed either! The following is a letter to "Cycle" the CTC mag, which I've just emailed to the editor. "Dear sir, I read with some disappointment of the accession of Jon Snow to the position of President of my club. Not because he is a journalist, and only politicians are held in less regard than them, but because I heard an interview with Mr Snow, where he claimed that a cycle helmet had saved his life, and that anyone sensible wore such a device. By implication, Mr Snow considers that anyone not wearing a cycle helmet is an idiot. I find it hard to accept that someone, supposedly professionally questioning, is unhesitating in their acceptance that cycle helmets work. I used to believe that helmets must work, but changed my mind after reading the evidence, and I find Mr Snow's assertions to be as credible as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The evidence is clear, compelling and undisputed: cycle helmets don't work. Nowhere that has introduced helmet compulsion has shown any reduction in risk to cyclists, and some show an increase in risk. None of the evidence showing the lack of effect of helmets has been challenged, but most, if not all, of the evidence supposedly demonstrating their effectiveness has been shown to be biased and unreliable. The CTC's position on cycle helmets has been clearly stated many times, that it is a matter of individual choice, which should be made on the best available evidence. Mr Snow, from his public pronouncements, appears not to support this view. Neither, Mr Editor, would you appear to. The matter of helmets and their disproportionate numbers in pictures in "Cycle" have been commented on several times, and you have made some rather feeble excuses for their preponderance. You published a learned article about what helmets were supposed to do, but I have waited in vain for an article explaining that, in the real world, they don't do it. Helmet wearing in the general population of cyclists is somewhere between 20 and 25%. The latest edition of "Cycle" has almost exactly the opposite proportion, with the helmeted cyclist pictures being generally larger and in more prominent positions than the un-helmeted. Previous editions under your editorship have shown the same gross, unjustifiable and unrealistic imbalance. As a national councilor, I voted for taking the magazine from in-house production to the outsourced production it now is. Whilst this has been successful in many ways, if I had known then that it would become unrepresentative and helmet-obsessed, I would not have voted for the change. All of which leaves me in a dilemma: do I really want to belong to a club with a President who thinks that the majority of the members are idiots, and which has a magazine editor who opposes the majority view of that club? Yours sincerely Richard Burton" |
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he tells people not to
take up cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" Not read all the responses - but he is probably right. Of course cycling is not inherently dangerous - but we share the roads with idiots [snippity] Yebbut if it's too dangerous to cycle it's too dangerous to walk, as both have similar KSI levels per mile. I assume you don't think it's "too dangerous out there" to walk to work? Mark. |
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Peter Fox wrote in :
why have somebody who fits the 'retired old fogey with a basket on the handlebars and cycle clips on their tweeds' stereotype $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador? The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis sarcasmWho absolutely does not fit that sterotype./ |
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Bryan wrote:
Another hat in the ring, what about Alexi Sayle? well know for cycling roiund London, never seen him wear a helmet, opinionated, well known, well informed and funny :-) He's also well-known for being a petrolhead, thobut. Used to write a column for "CAR" magazine. -- Dave Larrington http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk Flies are the work of Stan, and should be killed by all means available. |
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