Flying Pigeon - which size pedals?

On Jun 4, 9:33*am, Cameron wrote:

Sadly the majority of Flying Pigeons and their Shanghai cousins
Yongjiu (Forever) bikes use a different standard for their pedals. *A
mate, my wife and I bought two Yongjius and a Flying Pigeon in Beijing
in 2007. They all came with the requisite crappy *pedals which I had
hoped to swap with something better but discovered that they are
smaller than 9/16th" and bigger than 1/2". Jase had already gone
through 3 sets by the time he left. I brought my bikes with me when I
came back and now I am faced with either trying to find some sort of
helicoil to bring them back to 1/2" to fit some BMX pedals, drilling
the cranks out and re-tapping them for 9/16th", or replacing the
cranks. At this stage I am likely to go for the drilling and re-
tapping. But first I'll pull the pedals off my wife's bike which she
never rides... If you want to persist with the standard pedals you can
get a pair for about $2 pretty much anywhere in Beijing, you just need
to know someone who is prepared to buy them and send them back to you.
At least it is easier than the 28 1/2" tyres with built in 'rim tape'.

Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.

Oh, bother. Thanks, Cameron. I'll pass that on. Do let us know if you
get this worked out.

On Jun 4, 9:33*am, Cameron wrote:
Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.


Good news for my co-worker - his FP is apparently an export model
after all, as the 9/16" pedals fit fine. (Another give away - it has
Schrader valves, not Woods/Dunlop.)

Thanks to all.

Brian Huntley wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:33 am, Cameron wrote:
Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.


Good news for my co-worker - his FP is apparently an export model
after all, as the 9/16" pedals fit fine. (Another give away - it has
Schrader valves, not Woods/Dunlop.)

Thanks to all.
I just had a quick look at a bicycle I've never heard of.
In the pictures someone was detailed enough to
show the front brake system.
I like it.
No cables flopping around.
Did they come up with that or was it "borrowed".

On Jun 5, 11:15*pm, Erness Wild wrote:
Brian Huntley wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:33 am, Cameron wrote:
Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.

Good news for my co-worker - his FP is apparently an export model
after all, as the 9/16" pedals fit fine. (Another give away - it has
Schrader valves, not Woods/Dunlop.)

Thanks to all.

I just had a quick look at a bicycle I've never heard of.
In the pictures someone was detailed enough to
show the front brake system.
I like it.
No cables flopping around.
Did they come up with that or was it "borrowed".

The Raleigh they copied had rod and stirrup brakes. I guess all bikes
did, 100 years ago.

Besides the Flying Pigeon, there are Indian and Mexican clones such as
the Hercules with similar brakes. None of them seem to work very well,
from what I can tell, but at least you'll never have a broken brake
cable.

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:35:39 -0700 (PDT), Brian Huntley
wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:15*pm, Erness Wild wrote:
Brian Huntley wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:33 am, Cameron wrote:
Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.

Good news for my co-worker - his FP is apparently an export model
after all, as the 9/16" pedals fit fine. (Another give away - it has
Schrader valves, not Woods/Dunlop.)

Thanks to all.

I just had a quick look at a bicycle I've never heard of.
In the pictures someone was detailed enough to
show the front brake system.
I like it.
No cables flopping around.
Did they come up with that or was it "borrowed".

The Raleigh they copied had rod and stirrup brakes. I guess all bikes
did, 100 years ago.

Besides the Flying Pigeon, there are Indian and Mexican clones such as
the Hercules with similar brakes.

And many brands of bikes in China.

On Jun 5, 11:35*pm, Brian Huntley wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:15*pm, Erness Wild wrote:



Brian Huntley wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:33 am, Cameron wrote:
Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.

Good news for my co-worker - his FP is apparently an export model
after all, as the 9/16" pedals fit fine. (Another give away - it has
Schrader valves, not Woods/Dunlop.)

Thanks to all.

I just had a quick look at a bicycle I've never heard of.
In the pictures someone was detailed enough to
show the front brake system.
I like it.
No cables flopping around.
Did they come up with that or was it "borrowed".

The Raleigh they copied had rod and stirrup brakes. I guess all bikes
did, 100 years ago.

Besides the Flying Pigeon, there are Indian and Mexican clones such as
the Hercules with similar brakes. None of them seem to work very well,
from what I can tell, but at least you'll never have a broken brake
cable.

Yes, you'll have the comfort of durable, yet ineffective linkage!
Charms the ladies. My Raleigh, in near showroom condition used to get
all sorts of smiles and coos, but I'd probably have to put a drum on
the front before I felt comfortable on one now--at least in any sort
of damp.

What's a shame is that no one came up with an alloy rim in the Dunlop
shape. The brakes are lousy--but could have been made to work on
something other than chrome.

On 6 June, 14:09, landotter wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:35*pm, Brian Huntley wrote:



On Jun 5, 11:15*pm, Erness Wild wrote:

Brian Huntley wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:33 am, Cameron wrote:
Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.

Good news for my co-worker - his FP is apparently an export model
after all, as the 9/16" pedals fit fine. (Another give away - it has
Schrader valves, not Woods/Dunlop.)

Thanks to all.

I just had a quick look at a bicycle I've never heard of.
In the pictures someone was detailed enough to
show the front brake system.
I like it.
No cables flopping around.
Did they come up with that or was it "borrowed".

The Raleigh they copied had rod and stirrup brakes. I guess all bikes
did, 100 years ago.

Besides the Flying Pigeon, there are Indian and Mexican clones such as
the Hercules with similar brakes. None of them seem to work very well,
from what I can tell, but at least you'll never have a broken brake
cable.

Yes, you'll have the comfort of durable, yet ineffective linkage!
Charms the ladies. My Raleigh, in near showroom condition used to get
all sorts of smiles and coos, but I'd probably have to put a drum on
the front before I felt comfortable on one now--at least in any sort
of damp.

What's a shame is that no one came up with an alloy rim in the Dunlop
shape. The brakes are lousy--but could have been made to work on
something other than chrome.

Leather faced blocks are used on chrome rims for good wet braking

On 7 June, 01:23, Phil W Lee phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk wrote:
someone considered Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:10:01
-0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:



On 6 June, 14:09, landotter wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:35*pm, Brian Huntley wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:15*pm, Erness Wild wrote:

Brian Huntley wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:33 am, Cameron wrote:
Others with more historical knowledge might be able to identify the
actual size for the pedals. I suspect that these bikes are simply
copies of what the Europeans brought to China in the late 19th and
early 20th centuries.

Good news for my co-worker - his FP is apparently an export model
after all, as the 9/16" pedals fit fine. (Another give away - it has
Schrader valves, not Woods/Dunlop.)

Thanks to all.

I just had a quick look at a bicycle I've never heard of.
In the pictures someone was detailed enough to
show the front brake system.
I like it.
No cables flopping around.
Did they come up with that or was it "borrowed".

The Raleigh they copied had rod and stirrup brakes. I guess all bikes
did, 100 years ago.

Besides the Flying Pigeon, there are Indian and Mexican clones such as
the Hercules with similar brakes. None of them seem to work very well,
from what I can tell, but at least you'll never have a broken brake
cable.

Yes, you'll have the comfort of durable, yet ineffective linkage!
Charms the ladies. My Raleigh, in near showroom condition used to get
all sorts of smiles and coos, but I'd probably have to put a drum on
the front before I felt comfortable on one now--at least in any sort
of damp.

What's a shame is that no one came up with an alloy rim in the Dunlop
shape. The brakes are lousy--but could have been made to work on
something other than chrome.

Leather faced blocks are used on chrome rims for good wet braking

FSVO good.
Better than the alternatives, maybe.

Fibrax managed to find a leather chroming process that made the chrome
rim and their blocks outperform other combinations circa1986