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Fwd: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FORCOMMENTS
If anyone's interested in discussing mountain bikes in a moderated
environment (without all the crap that shows up in this group), you may want to take a look at this before it's too late. - Trevor -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 08:27:46 EDT From: Big-8 Management Board Organization: albasani.net Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,rec. bicycles.off-road,rec.bicycles.misc Followup-To: news.groups.proposals References: REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road. RATIONALE: According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on 2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce. : host moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address (in reply to RCPT TO command) "The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the topic. Message-ID: Message-ID: NEWSGROUPS LINE: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated) DISTRIBUTION: news.announce.newgroups news.groups.proposals rec.bicycles.off-road rec.bicycles.misc CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement) bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt, grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.) Dicussion might include (but not limited to): Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail Issues -access/closure -maintenance Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles -preparation -camping skills -responsibilities to the environment -equipment options or combinations -overnight vs day use trips -etiquette Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions (technically and eco-sensitively) -tree roots -sand -microbiotic crust -loose steep climbs, etc. Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media coverage Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder audience. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns. 2. Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care for and respect the backcounty/bush. 3. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open discussion on aspects of off-road. HISTORY OF THE GROUP: rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998. PROPONENT: Alexander Bartolich PROCEDU Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in that newsgroup. To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.proposals. In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted (MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the process the B8MB will vote on the issue. Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road a - leave the group as it is - remove the group For more information on the removal process, please see http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ CHANGE HISTORY: 2010-05-20 Probe post 2010-08-09 Moderator Vacancy Investigation 2010-08-23 1st RFD 2010-09-06 2nd RFD 2010-10-02 LCC -- |
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Fwd: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
On Oct 8, 8:29*am, Trevor Holyoak wrote:
If anyone's interested in discussing mountain bikes in a moderated environment (without all the crap that shows up in this group), you may want to take a look at this before it's too late. - Trevor -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 08:27:46 EDT From: Big-8 Management Board Organization: albasani.net Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups.proposals,rec. bicycles.off-road,rec.bic*ycles.misc Followup-To: news.groups.proposals References: * * * * * * * *REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) * * * * * * * *moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road. RATIONALE: According to Google's archive the last regular post was approved on 2007-07-18. A probe message resulted in a bounce. : host * * *moderators.switch.ch[130.59.1.10] said: 550 Unrouteable address * * *(in reply to RCPT TO command) "The Real Bev" says that he/she would be happy to do the moderation if somebody else provided the setup. Steve Bonine sees no evidence that a group of people exists in Usenet who are interested in the topic. Message-ID: Message-ID: NEWSGROUPS LINE: rec.bicycles.off-road * Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated) DISTRIBUTION: news.announce.newgroups news.groups.proposals rec.bicycles.off-road rec.bicycles.misc CHARTER OF REC.BICYCLES.OFF-ROAD rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement) bicyclists. *The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt, grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.) Dicussion might include (but not limited to): * * * * *Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling * * * * *Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling * * * * *Trail Issues * * * * * * * * *-access/closure * * * * * * * * *-maintenance * * * * *Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles * * * * * * * * *-preparation * * * * * * * * *-camping skills * * * * * * * * *-responsibilities to the environment * * * * * * * * *-equipment options or combinations * * * * * * * * *-overnight vs day use trips * * * * * * * * *-etiquette * * * * *Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions * * * * *(technically and eco-sensitively) * * * * * * * * *-tree roots * * * * * * * * *-sand * * * * * * * * *-microbiotic crust * * * * * * * * *-loose steep climbs, etc. * * * * *Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media * * * * * * * * *coverage * * * * *Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion. *However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder audience. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: * * * * *1. *Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus * * * * * * *off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns.. * * * * *2. *Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care * * * * * * *for and respect the backcounty/bush. * * * * *3. *Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share * * * * * * *concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open discussion on aspects of off-road. HISTORY OF THE GROUP: rec.bicycles.off-road is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 367:26 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Feb 1998. PROPONENT: Alexander Bartolich PROCEDU Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in that newsgroup. To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to news.groups.proposals. In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted (MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the process the B8MB will vote on the issue. Available options for rec.bicycles.off-road a - leave the group as it is - remove the group For more information on the removal process, please see http://www.big-8.org/wiki/Group_Removal_FAQ CHANGE HISTORY: 2010-05-20 * * *Probe post 2010-08-09 * * *Moderator Vacancy Investigation 2010-08-23 * * *1st RFD 2010-09-06 * * *2nd RFD 2010-10-02 * * *LCC --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and therefore does not deserve to be retained. |
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Fwd: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALLFOR COMMENTS
On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote:
rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and therefore does not deserve to be retained. Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history of rec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking, but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship. - Trevor |
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Fwd: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALLFOR COMMENTS
On 10/11/2010 10:07 AM, Trevor Holyoak wrote:
On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote: rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and therefore does not deserve to be retained. Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history of rec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking, but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship. - Trevor yes please |
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Fwd: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALL FOR COMMENTS
On Oct 11, 10:07*am, Trevor Holyoak wrote:
On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote: rec.bicycles.off-roadpractices censorship, NOT moderation, and therefore does not deserve to be retained. Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history ofrec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking, but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship. - Trevor Correct, and the moderators practiced CENSORSHIP, which was the true purpose of the group's "moderation". Namely, to keep me and other people opposed to mountain biking from posting to it. |
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Fwd: RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated (remove) LAST CALLFOR COMMENTS
On 10/14/2010 3:38 PM, wizardB wrote:
On 10/11/2010 10:07 AM, Trevor Holyoak wrote: On 10/9/2010 11:45 PM, Mike Vandeman wrote: rec.bicycles.off-road practices censorship, NOT moderation, and therefore does not deserve to be retained. Right now, not even that is happening - in order for the group to survive, it needs new moderators. I know nothing of the history of rec.bicycles.off-road, having just gotten started with mountain biking, but there is a difference between ensuring that messages actually meet the purpose of the group (as described in the charter), and censorship. - Trevor yes please If you're interested, please reply to news.groups.proposals. ("Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in that newsgroup.") Thanks, Trevor |
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