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The lone 26er in a forest full of 29ers and 27.5ers
On 01-03-18 16:33, jbeattie wrote:
Shall we start a discussion about the long almost invisible leashes? Boy the really **** me off. That is a serious hazard. I have many personal anecdotes, but the most memorable was defending a case where a guy broke his neck after getting a leash wrapped up in his wheel. The dog owner was a deadbeat, so he sued the maker of his CF forks -- which not surprisingly broke after getting a leash wrapped up in the wheel. More often, though, I encounter dogs that aren't on leashes and should be. I yell at the owners as I'm being charged while climbing or descending a forest road, and the owners just stare or blandly call for the dog. The dog just keeps doing what its doing. My wife got knocked over by a big dog, which is no small issue because of her physical condition, and the response was a lame "oh, he just wants to say hello," or "he likes you" or some utter idiocy. This is in places with giant signs saying dogs must be on leashes. And again, off leash dogs have a huge environmental impact on watershed and forest animals. -- Jay Beattie. Once I was riding past a farm and a large dog bit me on the ankle. Probably intended only as a threat, since it didn't draw blood. For a long time afterwards and even now I am on the lookout for farm dogs. Closer to the city it's the tiny "barky" dogs that seem potentially dangerous. As I sometimes point out to their owners, it would be a bloody mess, both for the dog and for me, if the dog were to get into the spokes of my bike. |
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The lone 26er in a forest full of 29ers and 27.5ers
On 2018-03-01 22:38, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:10:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-01 13:45, John B. wrote: [...] ... But a critter kept just so you could pet it or it could lay it's head in your lap? I can't remember a single instance. Lots of older women back then had a cat in the kitchen that sat in their lap a lot. Sometimes for more than an hour when they were knitting something. The kitchen used to be the largest room in the house where everyone generally hung out. The dog usually also had its pillow there. When I think back I don't remember any farm wives, i.e., women that actually had to do things every day, that had a cat in the kitchen. If for not other reason then they "get under foot" when you are trying to do something and a woman that cooks for, oh say, a family of 4 or 5, does the washing, and has a few chickens out back, and maybe a small garden for the herbs and spices, doesn't have much time for sitting around knitting. Maybe they should learn some time management. Where I grew up they were able to eke out "off time". It wasn't really off time but the needlework was to make clothing. ... And as for the dog having a bed in the kitchen, that would have been a no-no. Dogs stink. Not true. I regularly meet working dogs. They somehow sense that I like dogs and come up close. None of the stank so far. Maybe not a modern town dog that goes to the dog beautician for a wash and perm every month, but I can assure you that a "working" dog, whether a young lad's companion or one that herds sheep stinks. After all, the only bath they get is when they are caught out in the rain :-) Many farmers had a good personal relationship with some of their horses. They spent time with them outside work. Even if it was just to smoke a pipe and not be bothered by people. Horses tend not to nag and they are pleasant to be around. When I was a young fellow there were still a few farmers left that were farming with a team and my father owned a couple of Quarter Horses for some years and I'm not sure how "personal" a relationship existed between horses and men. If for no other reason then a horse can be almost unbelievably stupid. So can people and that's not a reason not to like them. At least not for me. ... Or perhaps extremely self centered :-) You haul a manger full of hay down for the critter, dish out some oats, haul in a bucket of water and when you start you start to brush the mud out of his tail, he kicks you. They can be materialistic but the ones I frequently encounter aren't. They like me even when I arrive sans carrots. Though the trunk on my MTB often gets sniffed for potential goodies in there. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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The lone 26er in a forest full of 29ers and 27.5ers
On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 13:02:46 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-03-01 22:38, John B. wrote: On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:10:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-01 13:45, John B. wrote: [...] ... But a critter kept just so you could pet it or it could lay it's head in your lap? I can't remember a single instance. Lots of older women back then had a cat in the kitchen that sat in their lap a lot. Sometimes for more than an hour when they were knitting something. The kitchen used to be the largest room in the house where everyone generally hung out. The dog usually also had its pillow there. When I think back I don't remember any farm wives, i.e., women that actually had to do things every day, that had a cat in the kitchen. If for not other reason then they "get under foot" when you are trying to do something and a woman that cooks for, oh say, a family of 4 or 5, does the washing, and has a few chickens out back, and maybe a small garden for the herbs and spices, doesn't have much time for sitting around knitting. Maybe they should learn some time management. Where I grew up they were able to eke out "off time". It wasn't really off time but the needlework was to make clothing. ... And as for the dog having a bed in the kitchen, that would have been a no-no. Dogs stink. Not true. I regularly meet working dogs. They somehow sense that I like dogs and come up close. None of the stank so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_odor "All natural dog odors are most prominent near the ears, and from the paw pads. Dogs naturally produce secretions, the function of which is to produce scents allowing for species and individual animal recognition by other dogs and for use in scent-marking of territory. This is a feature they share with other canids"... "Another source of odor that can be considered natural results from a common dog behavior. Dogs like to roll in and mark themselves with the feces of other animals in their environment." Maybe not a modern town dog that goes to the dog beautician for a wash and perm every month, but I can assure you that a "working" dog, whether a young lad's companion or one that herds sheep stinks. After all, the only bath they get is when they are caught out in the rain :-) Many farmers had a good personal relationship with some of their horses. They spent time with them outside work. Even if it was just to smoke a pipe and not be bothered by people. Horses tend not to nag and they are pleasant to be around. When I was a young fellow there were still a few farmers left that were farming with a team and my father owned a couple of Quarter Horses for some years and I'm not sure how "personal" a relationship existed between horses and men. If for no other reason then a horse can be almost unbelievably stupid. So can people and that's not a reason not to like them. At least not for me. ... Or perhaps extremely self centered :-) You haul a manger full of hay down for the critter, dish out some oats, haul in a bucket of water and when you start you start to brush the mud out of his tail, he kicks you. They can be materialistic but the ones I frequently encounter aren't. They like me even when I arrive sans carrots. Though the trunk on my MTB often gets sniffed for potential goodies in there. [...] I'm not sure that the animal, other then some dogs, actually feels any emotion for a human. Horses, for example, will react to most people that pet them. Dogs, perhaps because they have "pack instincts", do appear to develop an emotional relationship to the "Alpha" animal". Google "Saint Guinefort" or "Hachiko". -- Cheers, John B. |
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The lone 26er in a forest full of 29ers and 27.5ers
On 2018-03-02 15:22, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 13:02:46 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-01 22:38, John B. wrote: On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:10:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: [...] ... And as for the dog having a bed in the kitchen, that would have been a no-no. Dogs stink. Not true. I regularly meet working dogs. They somehow sense that I like dogs and come up close. None of the stank so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_odor "All natural dog odors are most prominent near the ears, and from the paw pads. Dogs naturally produce secretions, the function of which is to produce scents allowing for species and individual animal recognition by other dogs and for use in scent-marking of territory. This is a feature they share with other canids"... Everyone who is somewhat knowledgeable about animals knows that dogs perspire via their paws. So of course those smell. That does not mean the whole dog has to smell, just like a human does not have to smell just because he has sweaty feet. There is very little smell near the ears. "Another source of odor that can be considered natural results from a common dog behavior. Dogs like to roll in and mark themselves with the feces of other animals in their environment." Some do. Just like some people like to slather themselves with cheap perfume that I find grossly repulsive. That still does not cause me to say that people stink. Because many don't. [...] ... Or perhaps extremely self centered :-) You haul a manger full of hay down for the critter, dish out some oats, haul in a bucket of water and when you start you start to brush the mud out of his tail, he kicks you. They can be materialistic but the ones I frequently encounter aren't. They like me even when I arrive sans carrots. Though the trunk on my MTB often gets sniffed for potential goodies in there. [...] I'm not sure that the animal, other then some dogs, actually feels any emotion for a human. Horses, for example, will react to most people that pet them. They do but they usually need to know you. There is a large horse ranch on the singletrack to Placerville which I ride a lot. Some of the horses come to the fence when they see me approaching yet they know I never bring them treats because that isn't appropriate unless I have permission. I never asked there because it's also a boarding place where I would't allow it if I were the property owner. Those horses like to meet me, affection without expecting anything in return. While some like their noses rubbed others do not like to be touched at all yet they come. One day two other MTB riders were standing at the fence trying to cajole the horses into coming. They couldn't be bothered until I joined up. Why would they come if they didn't feel some emotional bond? Dogs, perhaps because they have "pack instincts", do appear to develop an emotional relationship to the "Alpha" animal". Google "Saint Guinefort" or "Hachiko". Many other animals seek such pack relationship and the alpha can also be a human. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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The lone 26er in a forest full of 29ers and 27.5ers
On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:56:14 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-03-02 15:22, John B. wrote: On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 13:02:46 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-01 22:38, John B. wrote: On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 14:10:49 -0800, Joerg wrote: [...] ... And as for the dog having a bed in the kitchen, that would have been a no-no. Dogs stink. Not true. I regularly meet working dogs. They somehow sense that I like dogs and come up close. None of the stank so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_odor "All natural dog odors are most prominent near the ears, and from the paw pads. Dogs naturally produce secretions, the function of which is to produce scents allowing for species and individual animal recognition by other dogs and for use in scent-marking of territory. This is a feature they share with other canids"... Everyone who is somewhat knowledgeable about animals knows that dogs perspire via their paws. So of course those smell. That does not mean the whole dog has to smell, just like a human does not have to smell just because he has sweaty feet. There is very little smell near the ears. "Another source of odor that can be considered natural results from a common dog behavior. Dogs like to roll in and mark themselves with the feces of other animals in their environment." Some do. Just like some people like to slather themselves with cheap perfume that I find grossly repulsive. That still does not cause me to say that people stink. Because many don't. But people do stink. If you have ever been around really primitive people you will find that they do have a rather powerful odor. Note that perfumes and all of their derivatives were developed to counter the odor of unbathed humans. [...] ... Or perhaps extremely self centered :-) You haul a manger full of hay down for the critter, dish out some oats, haul in a bucket of water and when you start you start to brush the mud out of his tail, he kicks you. They can be materialistic but the ones I frequently encounter aren't. They like me even when I arrive sans carrots. Though the trunk on my MTB often gets sniffed for potential goodies in there. [...] I'm not sure that the animal, other then some dogs, actually feels any emotion for a human. Horses, for example, will react to most people that pet them. They do but they usually need to know you. There is a large horse ranch on the singletrack to Placerville which I ride a lot. Some of the horses come to the fence when they see me approaching yet they know I never bring them treats because that isn't appropriate unless I have permission. I never asked there because it's also a boarding place where I would't allow it if I were the property owner. Those horses like to meet me, affection without expecting anything in return. While some like their noses rubbed others do not like to be touched at all yet they come. One day two other MTB riders were standing at the fence trying to cajole the horses into coming. They couldn't be bothered until I joined up. Why would they come if they didn't feel some emotional bond? Probably because they recognize you as a source of carrots, apples, or other goodies. I suggest that if you give $10 to the next guy you see begging on the street you will invoke exactly the same "emotional bond" that you note with the horses. When he sees you he will be right there with his hand out. Dogs, perhaps because they have "pack instincts", do appear to develop an emotional relationship to the "Alpha" animal". Google "Saint Guinefort" or "Hachiko". Many other animals seek such pack relationship and the alpha can also be a human. The word "animal" comes from the Latin animalis, meaning having breath, having soul or living being. The biological definition of the word refers to all members of the kingdom Animalia. -- Cheers, John B. |
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The lone 26er in a forest full of 29ers and 27.5ers
John B. wrote:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:56:14 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-02 15:22, John B. wrote: I'm not sure that the animal, other then some dogs, actually feels any emotion for a human. Horses, for example, will react to most people that pet them. They do but they usually need to know you. There is a large horse ranch on the singletrack to Placerville which I ride a lot. Some of the horses come to the fence when they see me approaching yet they know I never bring them treats because that isn't appropriate unless I have permission. I never asked there because it's also a boarding place where I would't allow it if I were the property owner. Those horses like to meet me, affection without expecting anything in return. While some like their noses rubbed others do not like to be touched at all yet they come. One day two other MTB riders were standing at the fence trying to cajole the horses into coming. They couldn't be bothered until I joined up. Why would they come if they didn't feel some emotional bond? Probably because they recognize you as a source of carrots, apples, or other goodies. I suggest that if you give $10 to the next guy you see begging on the street you will invoke exactly the same "emotional bond" that you note with the horses. When he sees you he will be right there with his hand out. But he claims has not fed those horses. Maybe Jorge does look more like a friendly animal than the other bicyclists? Though I suspect the horses saw his large bags or smelled grainy brewing substance residue or his homemade muesli bars -- while the other MTB riders only had small backpacks and smelled like racer guys who had thrown non-tasty plastic bottles and gel wrappers into their habitat. |
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The lone 26er in a forest full of 29ers and 27.5ers
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 4:07:49 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
John B. wrote: On Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:56:14 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-03-02 15:22, John B. wrote: I'm not sure that the animal, other then some dogs, actually feels any emotion for a human. Horses, for example, will react to most people that pet them. They do but they usually need to know you. There is a large horse ranch on the singletrack to Placerville which I ride a lot. Some of the horses come to the fence when they see me approaching yet they know I never bring them treats because that isn't appropriate unless I have permission. I never asked there because it's also a boarding place where I would't allow it if I were the property owner. Those horses like to meet me, affection without expecting anything in return. While some like their noses rubbed others do not like to be touched at all yet they come. One day two other MTB riders were standing at the fence trying to cajole the horses into coming. They couldn't be bothered until I joined up. Why would they come if they didn't feel some emotional bond? Probably because they recognize you as a source of carrots, apples, or other goodies. I suggest that if you give $10 to the next guy you see begging on the street you will invoke exactly the same "emotional bond" that you note with the horses. When he sees you he will be right there with his hand out. But he claims has not fed those horses. Maybe Jorge does look more like a friendly animal than the other bicyclists? Though I suspect the horses saw his large bags or smelled grainy brewing substance residue or his homemade muesli bars -- while the other MTB riders only had small backpacks and smelled like racer guys who had thrown non-tasty plastic bottles and gel wrappers into their habitat. The horses obviously feel some magical and spiritual bond with Joerg, particularly the rainbow colored ones. http://images6.fanpop.com/image/phot...-2048-1536.jpg If Joerg has created an "emotional" bond with the horse, which emotion? Perhaps the horse is plotting an escape, and is cultivating a false friendship with Joerg to ultimately use his body as a battering ram to break-down the paddock fence. Those horses are super-smart and cagey. Perhaps the horse has spotted a rube and is setting him up for some sort of con. Maybe while he's petting one horse, another horse is taking his wallet. I've seen them do that. -- Jay Beattie. |
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