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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:07:46 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:36:16 +0100, Martin Wilson wrote: Assuming the frames are coming from Taiwan that is. It will be really sad if they are coming from mainland China or Vietnam. Why is that? JT Well Taiwan are the best bike frame builders in the world with some sophisticated factories incoporating welding robots and expensive heat treating facilities as found in factories by Giant and Merida as well as others I'm sure. Where as mainland China and Vietnam are generally lower tech and sell at the bottom end of pricing normally. They tend to make the lower cost steel frames or aluminium that doesn't need heat treating like basic 7005 frames. I'm sure that will change but at this point in time Taiwan are generally far better frame builders. |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:00:29 +0100, Martin Wilson
wrote: On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:07:46 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:36:16 +0100, Martin Wilson wrote: Assuming the frames are coming from Taiwan that is. It will be really sad if they are coming from mainland China or Vietnam. Why is that? JT Well Taiwan are the best bike frame builders in the world with some sophisticated factories incoporating welding robots and expensive heat treating facilities as found in factories by Giant and Merida as well as others I'm sure. Where as mainland China and Vietnam are generally lower tech and sell at the bottom end of pricing normally. They tend to make the lower cost steel frames or aluminium that doesn't need heat treating like basic 7005 frames. I'm sure that will change but at this point in time Taiwan are generally far better frame builders. How about saying "it will be really sad if the quality goes down" given that there is no evidence one way or the other of quality change in these bikes. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:17:10 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:00:29 +0100, Martin Wilson wrote: On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:07:46 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:36:16 +0100, Martin Wilson wrote: Assuming the frames are coming from Taiwan that is. It will be really sad if they are coming from mainland China or Vietnam. Why is that? JT Well Taiwan are the best bike frame builders in the world with some sophisticated factories incoporating welding robots and expensive heat treating facilities as found in factories by Giant and Merida as well as others I'm sure. Where as mainland China and Vietnam are generally lower tech and sell at the bottom end of pricing normally. They tend to make the lower cost steel frames or aluminium that doesn't need heat treating like basic 7005 frames. I'm sure that will change but at this point in time Taiwan are generally far better frame builders. How about saying "it will be really sad if the quality goes down" given that there is no evidence one way or the other of quality change in these bikes. I don't think the quality will go down if some production was moved to the better manufacturing plants of taiwan in fact it would more likely go up. I would just think it a shame that Cannondale weren't a full USA bike manufacturing company anymore. Sometimes brand is about something you want to buy into, a reputation, a style, sporting history etc. When you buy a Cannondale you are buying something a bit different from Trek, Specialized, GT etc. Cannondale have a reputation for innovation and building their own bikes from the ground up in the USA. |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:43:10 +0100, Martin Wilson
wrote: I would just think it a shame that Cannondale weren't a full USA bike manufacturing company anymore. That's what I was really asking about. I don't understand why that is "a shame." A share for who? Sometimes brand is about something you want to buy into, a reputation, a style, sporting history etc. OK, now I (sort of) understand. I buy bikes based on how they ride myself, but I guess other people have difference motivations. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:03:03 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:43:10 +0100, Martin Wilson wrote: I would just think it a shame that Cannondale weren't a full USA bike manufacturing company anymore. That's what I was really asking about. I don't understand why that is "a shame." A share for who? Well variety of available bikes I suppose. Just about all bikes are coming out of taiwan and it would be nice if Cannondale continued to provide something different. Sometimes brand is about something you want to buy into, a reputation, a style, sporting history etc. OK, now I (sort of) understand. I buy bikes based on how they ride myself, but I guess other people have difference motivations. JT I've never bought or even ridden a Cannondale. I sadly tend to buy on price and just go for the best quality components on a bike I can afford as my no.1 priority. I still think theres a place for a true usa made bike even if I'd have to be a bit richer before I personally bought one. |
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Martin Wilson wrote:
the reference or have gone elsewhere. A Specialized owner has claimed that Specialized have used Merida and Giant for their frames. I know Specialized have used Kinesis forks. AFAIK, Specialized is (at least partialy) owned by Merida... Today, most "brand" companies are just sales offices without any manufacturing (and probably engineering) resources. That doesn't mean they don't sell good bicycles, though. |
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Taiwan bike makers are by far the best in the world. Despite what "we" want
to believe. Most of the newer technology has come from Taiwan. Hodaka worked with Scott USA to develop the new CF-1 880 gram road frame, Giant is leading in carbon fiber (and full suspension design) right now too. Colago and Pinarelli have been making frames in Taiwan (on the quiet) for 2-3 years now and now Colnago has come out of the closet and told the world that they are making the new carbon fiber frames there. Colnago is a big sponsor of "The A-Team",a group of Taiwanese bike manufacturers. Frames are generally made outside of the assembly factories. Sure, Giant and Hodaka make many of their own frames but there are about 30 very high quality frame makers in Taiwan that just make bicycle frames. Merida has helped Specialized a lot. The Specialized Epic design is actually a Merida design. Merida was trying to sell it to many of it's customers for over 2 years before it appeared on a Specialized. Obviously, with Nerida being the owner of Specialized they used this brand to sell their design. Actually, until the Fox 'Brain' thing was developed this was not a very good design. I've always maintained that this new shock developemnt is fed by shock makers having to find solutions to frame buiders bad suspension designs. And don't be concerned about the quality of the bikes vs. bikes made in the USA. I was in a US bike factory once and I was watching a guy apply decals. He had put one on crooked and another had a wrinkle in it. When I asked him how he could let it go down the line like that he said "Mr, I get paid to do it. I don't get paid to do it right!" Oh, and to put right a comment from an earlier reply. ALL aluminum frames must be heat treated. I do't know where the "or aluminium that doesn't need heat treating like basic 7005 frames." came from but it's incorrect. I hope I've helped. "Martin Wilson" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:17:10 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 02:00:29 +0100, Martin Wilson wrote: On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:07:46 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:36:16 +0100, Martin Wilson wrote: Assuming the frames are coming from Taiwan that is. It will be really sad if they are coming from mainland China or Vietnam. Why is that? JT Well Taiwan are the best bike frame builders in the world with some sophisticated factories incoporating welding robots and expensive heat treating facilities as found in factories by Giant and Merida as well as others I'm sure. Where as mainland China and Vietnam are generally lower tech and sell at the bottom end of pricing normally. They tend to make the lower cost steel frames or aluminium that doesn't need heat treating like basic 7005 frames. I'm sure that will change but at this point in time Taiwan are generally far better frame builders. How about saying "it will be really sad if the quality goes down" given that there is no evidence one way or the other of quality change in these bikes. I don't think the quality will go down if some production was moved to the better manufacturing plants of taiwan in fact it would more likely go up. I would just think it a shame that Cannondale weren't a full USA bike manufacturing company anymore. Sometimes brand is about something you want to buy into, a reputation, a style, sporting history etc. When you buy a Cannondale you are buying something a bit different from Trek, Specialized, GT etc. Cannondale have a reputation for innovation and building their own bikes from the ground up in the USA. |
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aotearoa706 wrote:
Giant is leading in carbon fiber (and full suspension design) right now So why do they make the most ugly bikes one can imagine? Why do I keep reading in tests that the Giants aren't stable? Colago and Pinarelli Colnago and Pinarello you mean. Maybe frames are produced in Taiwan that are as good or are even better than bikes from elsewhere, but design is really not on a high level in my opinion. Greets, Derk |
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