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On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:24:02 -0000 (UTC), Tanguy Ortolo
wrote: While I am currently putting metallic caps on the ends of my cables, I am wondering if there would not be a more permanent solution, that would keep the wires together while still allowing me to remove the cable from its housing without cutting it. See if any of these photos give you some ideas: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=wire+rope+end+stop Officially, these are called "wire rope end stops". If you have a marine supply store nearby, that deals in rigging, they should have a suitable supply. Basically, it's a better version of the common bicycle cable aluminum end cap. Beware of expensive crimping tools. If you're cheap, all you need is an electrical cable lug. Something like one of these: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&q=electrical+cable+lug The tools for these are much cheaper. You're not going to be able to solder the copper lugs to the galvanized or stainless cable. "Soldering stainless steel cable ends" https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-mechanics/350508-soldering-stainless-steel-cable-ends.html I've done some SS soldering like this. I used 14% silver solder and HCL (hydrochloric acid) as flux because that's what I had on hand. You can buy soldering kits for stainless. https://www.google.com/search?q=stainless%20steel%20soldering%20kit You're not going to be able to solder galvanized cable. If electricity to operate the soldering iron is a problem, find an AC extension cord or use a propane or MAPP gas torch. If you prefer glue, I suggest find a sleeve that will fit over the cable end. It can be made from almost anything. Paper, plastic, aluminum, copper, steel, soda straw, etc. Mix up some epoxy glue, stuff it into the sleeve, slide the sleeve over the wire end, clean up the excess glue, and wait for it to dry. The sleeve is mostly cosmetic. If you need to remove it, beat on the sleeve with a hammer. The epoxy is brittle and will crumble. Don't crimp the sleeve or it will never come off. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 10/1/2020 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/1/2020 3:12 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote: For your reference, records indicate that Tanguy Ortolo wrote: I know that soldering the cable end is a known solution, but I have no iron, and no electricity in the basement where I keep my bicycle. Solder can usually be melted by a regular butane lighter, and definitely by a torch-style one. Have anyone tried other solution, such as tape, cyanoacrylate or epoxy perhaps ? I would give them a try, but maybe I could benefit from past experience… Heat shrink tubing could also work well. In theory maybe. In practice, both have severe limitations and are ineffective (heat shrink) or impractical (silver braze on stainless wire). Wow, I've used heat shrink tubing for many decades and this is the first time I've heard that it is ineffective! In reality it works great. |
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On Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:24:06 UTC-4, Tanguy Ortolo wrote:
Hello all, While I am currently putting metallic caps on the ends of my cables, I am wondering if there would not be a more permanent solution, that would keep the wires together while still allowing me to remove the cable from its housing without cutting it. I know that soldering the cable end is a known solution, but I have no iron, and no electricity in the basement where I keep my bicycle. Have anyone tried other solution, such as tape, cyanoacrylate or epoxy perhaps ? I would give them a try, but maybe I could benefit from past experience… Bicycly, -- Tanguy I crimp my aluminium cable end caps near their end - close to the cable. If I decide to reuse on, all I do is pull it off then reopen the crimped end via the use of a sharp fine point. A nail will work in a pinch. Cheers |
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:24:02 -0000 (UTC), Tanguy Ortolo
wrote: Hello all, While I am currently putting metallic caps on the ends of my cables, I am wondering if there would not be a more permanent solution, that would keep the wires together while still allowing me to remove the cable from its housing without cutting it. I know that soldering the cable end is a known solution, but I have no iron, and no electricity in the basement where I keep my bicycle. Have anyone tried other solution, such as tape, cyanoacrylate or epoxy perhaps ? I would give them a try, but maybe I could benefit from past experience… Bicycly, Well you can solder the end, which you say that you can't do, you can put the little metal end caps on them and you can apply super glue to about an inch of the end... and that is about all you can do. What I do is buy a supply of the metal end caps - they are cheap, Amazon has them for about $4/100 pcs - and cut the cable end about 2-1/2 - 3 inches past the brake and crimp on a cap. If I want to remove the cap I cut it below the end "flange" of the cap which prevents distorting the cable when cutting and the flange is easily pulled off after cutting. Which shortens the cable end by about 1/2 inch each time and prevents unraveling of the cable. But (there is always a but) I do find that super gluing about an inch of the cable end work pretty well also. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Earls61 writes:
Here are some reusable ones... https://www.modernbike.com/yokozuna-...t---blue--pair $5.99 for two, versus $7.49 for 90 fancy ones: https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126178639 Or $3.99 for 20: https://www.modernbike.com/jagwire-c...s-black-bag-20 Of course if you buy 500 they're a lot cheaper. |
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On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 5:47:12 PM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
Earls61 writes: Here are some reusable ones... https://www.modernbike.com/yokozuna-...t---blue--pair $5.99 for two, versus $7.49 for 90 fancy ones: https://www.modernbike.com/product-2126178639 Or $3.99 for 20: https://www.modernbike.com/jagwire-c...s-black-bag-20 Of course if you buy 500 they're a lot cheaper. Dip the end of the cable in a tube of E6000 or Goop non-hardening glue. An inch or longer is fine. Leave it in the tube for a minute or longer before taking out. That's how I do mine. Never come loose, never unravel. |
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Op vrijdag 2 oktober 2020 om 02:25:06 UTC+2 schreef Sir Ridesalot:
On Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:24:06 UTC-4, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: Hello all, While I am currently putting metallic caps on the ends of my cables, I am wondering if there would not be a more permanent solution, that would keep the wires together while still allowing me to remove the cable from its housing without cutting it. I know that soldering the cable end is a known solution, but I have no iron, and no electricity in the basement where I keep my bicycle. Have anyone tried other solution, such as tape, cyanoacrylate or epoxy perhaps ? I would give them a try, but maybe I could benefit from past experience… Bicycly, -- Tanguy I crimp my aluminium cable end caps near their end - close to the cable. If I decide to reuse on, all I do is pull it off then reopen the crimped end via the use of a sharp fine point. A nail will work in a pinch. Cheers Reuse them? Pull them off and use a new one, they are dirt cheap: https://www.bike-components.de/en/Sh...00-pcs-p31708/ I'm still on my first batch. Lou |
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On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 4:47:19 PM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 10/1/2020 2:41 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 10/1/2020 3:12 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote: For your reference, records indicate that Tanguy Ortolo wrote: I know that soldering the cable end is a known solution, but I have no iron, and no electricity in the basement where I keep my bicycle. Solder can usually be melted by a regular butane lighter, and definitely by a torch-style one. Have anyone tried other solution, such as tape, cyanoacrylate or epoxy perhaps ? I would give them a try, but maybe I could benefit from past experience… Heat shrink tubing could also work well. In theory maybe. In practice, both have severe limitations and are ineffective (heat shrink) or impractical (silver braze on stainless wire). Wow, I've used heat shrink tubing for many decades and this is the first time I've heard that it is ineffective! In reality it works great. |
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On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 12:08:29 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op vrijdag 2 oktober 2020 om 02:25:06 UTC+2 schreef Sir Ridesalot: On Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:24:06 UTC-4, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: Hello all, While I am currently putting metallic caps on the ends of my cables, I am wondering if there would not be a more permanent solution, that would keep the wires together while still allowing me to remove the cable from its housing without cutting it. I know that soldering the cable end is a known solution, but I have no iron, and no electricity in the basement where I keep my bicycle. Have anyone tried other solution, such as tape, cyanoacrylate or epoxy perhaps ? I would give them a try, but maybe I could benefit from past experience… Bicycly, -- Tanguy I crimp my aluminium cable end caps near their end - close to the cable.. If I decide to reuse on, all I do is pull it off then reopen the crimped end via the use of a sharp fine point. A nail will work in a pinch. Cheers Reuse them? Pull them off and use a new one, they are dirt cheap: https://www.bike-components.de/en/Sh...00-pcs-p31708/ I'm still on my first batch. Lou Yeah, you just crimp on one and when you want to but them off you just cut them just before the expanded part and pull them off. I've seldom had any problem with this. Why would you be worried about the inner cable? Properly installed they last forever. I leave enough room so that I can trim the cable back to replace the derailleurs which are the only problems. |
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On Friday, 2 October 2020 03:08:29 UTC-4, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op vrijdag 2 oktober 2020 om 02:25:06 UTC+2 schreef Sir Ridesalot: On Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:24:06 UTC-4, Tanguy Ortolo wrote: Hello all, While I am currently putting metallic caps on the ends of my cables, I am wondering if there would not be a more permanent solution, that would keep the wires together while still allowing me to remove the cable from its housing without cutting it. I know that soldering the cable end is a known solution, but I have no iron, and no electricity in the basement where I keep my bicycle. Have anyone tried other solution, such as tape, cyanoacrylate or epoxy perhaps ? I would give them a try, but maybe I could benefit from past experience… Bicycly, -- Tanguy I crimp my aluminium cable end caps near their end - close to the cable.. If I decide to reuse on, all I do is pull it off then reopen the crimped end via the use of a sharp fine point. A nail will work in a pinch. Cheers Reuse them? Pull them off and use a new one, they are dirt cheap: https://www.bike-components.de/en/Sh...00-pcs-p31708/ I'm still on my first batch. Lou Reusing them saves me a trip to the bike shop. They're not 'dirt cheap' here and I'm not ordering a gross of them online as I would never use that many in my lifetime. Cheer |
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