Handlebar bags

On 10/24/2020 5:01 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 24 oktober 2020 om 02:42:24 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 10/23/2020 7:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:02:50 -0700, "Mark J."
wrote:

On 10/22/2020 3:52 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 11:27:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Handlebar bags: Some of us like them.

For some reasons, see "My PBP Bike: Rack and Bag" at
https://www.renehersecycles.com/journal/

Strange aerodynamics as the writer states that the bag makes him
"consistently 2-4 mph faster on the steep downhills", but apparently
not at other times??

Pack it full of rocks, I can almost guarantee you'll go downhill faster.
... and not go faster at other times.
Mark J.

Yes, I hadn't thought of that. But Hey! An excuse for yet another
bicycle - a "Downhill Bike" - perhaps with a lead frame?
We once had a club member nicknamed "Downhill Dick." He was quite portly
and joked about his "aerobelly." And he was indeed fast on downhills.

But aerodynamic features can make a difference, and it is most
noticeable when coasting. I've mentioned before my tour with a friend of
identical weight on practically identical bikes, carrying identical
loads in our panniers. The only significant differences were that he was
about 6" shorter than me (which should have been a coasting advantage)
and I was using Specialized Tailwind panniers vs. his square profile
Cannondale bags. I easily and markedly outcoasted him on every hill.


--
- Frank Krygowski


Try a downhill with and without a flapping jacket. Never understood people on a roadbike with jerseys/jackets two sizes too big.

They probably have different priorities than you do.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Op zaterdag 24 oktober 2020 om 22:26:09 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 10/24/2020 5:01 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 24 oktober 2020 om 02:42:24 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 10/23/2020 7:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:02:50 -0700, "Mark J."
wrote:

On 10/22/2020 3:52 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 11:27:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Handlebar bags: Some of us like them.

For some reasons, see "My PBP Bike: Rack and Bag" at
https://www.renehersecycles.com/journal/

Strange aerodynamics as the writer states that the bag makes him
"consistently 2-4 mph faster on the steep downhills", but apparently
not at other times??

Pack it full of rocks, I can almost guarantee you'll go downhill faster.
... and not go faster at other times.
Mark J.

Yes, I hadn't thought of that. But Hey! An excuse for yet another
bicycle - a "Downhill Bike" - perhaps with a lead frame?
We once had a club member nicknamed "Downhill Dick." He was quite portly
and joked about his "aerobelly." And he was indeed fast on downhills.

But aerodynamic features can make a difference, and it is most
noticeable when coasting. I've mentioned before my tour with a friend of
identical weight on practically identical bikes, carrying identical
loads in our panniers. The only significant differences were that he was
about 6" shorter than me (which should have been a coasting advantage)
and I was using Specialized Tailwind panniers vs. his square profile
Cannondale bags. I easily and markedly outcoasted him on every hill.


--
- Frank Krygowski


Try a downhill with and without a flapping jacket. Never understood people on a roadbike with jerseys/jackets two sizes too big.
They probably have different priorities than you do.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Such as?
Create more drag so you can train harder?
As a speed limiter?
Like the flapping in the wind?
I don't know any people riding a road bike with these priorities. All the people I know on a road bike want to go fast. A flapping jersey/jacket doesn't help. Maybe it is different on your side of the pond.

Lou

On 10/25/2020 12:51 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 24 oktober 2020 om 22:26:09 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 10/24/2020 5:01 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 24 oktober 2020 om 02:42:24 UTC+2 schreef Frank Krygowski:
On 10/23/2020 7:04 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:02:50 -0700, "Mark J."
wrote:

On 10/22/2020 3:52 PM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 11:27:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

Handlebar bags: Some of us like them.

For some reasons, see "My PBP Bike: Rack and Bag" at
https://www.renehersecycles.com/journal/

Strange aerodynamics as the writer states that the bag makes him
"consistently 2-4 mph faster on the steep downhills", but apparently
not at other times??

Pack it full of rocks, I can almost guarantee you'll go downhill faster.
... and not go faster at other times.
Mark J.

Yes, I hadn't thought of that. But Hey! An excuse for yet another
bicycle - a "Downhill Bike" - perhaps with a lead frame?
We once had a club member nicknamed "Downhill Dick." He was quite portly
and joked about his "aerobelly." And he was indeed fast on downhills.

But aerodynamic features can make a difference, and it is most
noticeable when coasting. I've mentioned before my tour with a friend of
identical weight on practically identical bikes, carrying identical
loads in our panniers. The only significant differences were that he was
about 6" shorter than me (which should have been a coasting advantage)
and I was using Specialized Tailwind panniers vs. his square profile
Cannondale bags. I easily and markedly outcoasted him on every hill.


--
- Frank Krygowski


Try a downhill with and without a flapping jacket. Never understood people on a roadbike with jerseys/jackets two sizes too big.
They probably have different priorities than you do.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Such as?
Create more drag so you can train harder?
As a speed limiter?
Like the flapping in the wind?
I don't know any people riding a road bike with these priorities. All the people I know on a road bike want to go fast.

If that's their real objective, they'd do better to get a motorcycle. Or
an airline ticket.

A flapping jersey/jacket doesn't help. Maybe it is different on your side of the pond.

It must be different here. We have some people over here who ride bikes
just because they like riding bikes, or because they enjoy viewing the
scenery, or because it's nice to ride and converse with friends. Some
few even ride for (gasp!) practical reasons.

Those people don't tend to worry about being 2% faster, or the
evaluations of cycling fashionistas.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
wrote:

All the people I know on a road bike want to go fast.

The groups in matching jersies that I see riding by probably want to
go fast.

I ride a road bike because I want to go far.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

Op maandag 26 oktober 2020 om 00:21:07 UTC+1 schreef Joy Beeson:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 09:51:10 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
wrote:

All the people I know on a road bike want to go fast.
The groups in matching jersies that I see riding by probably want to
go fast.

I ride a road bike because I want to go far.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/


I'm surprized you ride a road bike based on your postings, but anyhow you can ride further with no unnecessary drag.

Lou