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Old December 21st 20, 02:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Old December 21st 20, 07:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/


Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years. Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.
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Old December 21st 20, 08:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/


Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30 mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years. Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big
deal and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real
problem. Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be
taken with clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often
not comfortable, but it is possible.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old December 21st 20, 09:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ted Heise
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/


Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.


I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

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Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
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Old December 21st 20, 09:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default December cycling in New York

On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.


I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).


A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me. I'm
a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more space =
more warm air.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #6  
Old December 21st 20, 11:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
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Default December cycling in New York

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:07:37 PM UTC-8, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.


In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).


This morning almost all of the south bay and far north bay were at or very near freezing. Glad I did my ride yesterday. After the first of the year we can expect a large change in the weather pattern probably leading to an El Nino Event next year - lots of rain and snow.
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Old December 21st 20, 11:33 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
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Default December cycling in New York

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.

In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.


I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me. I'm
a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more space =
more warm air.

I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards. For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.
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Old December 22nd 20, 12:12 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default December cycling in New York

On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.

In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me. I'm
a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more space =
more warm air.

I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards. For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.


XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old December 22nd 20, 05:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Kunich[_4_]
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Default December cycling in New York

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.

In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me. I'm
a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more space =
more warm air.

I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards. For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/


Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time shifting with heavy gloves.
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Old December 22nd 20, 05:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default December cycling in New York

On 12/22/2020 10:07 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 3:12:49 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 4:33 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 2:07 PM, Ted Heise wrote:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:59:48 -0600,
AMuzi wrote:
On 12/21/2020 12:08 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:16:42 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/12/20/cyclis...zard-hits-nyc/

Being a Californian I don't know how you could ride any
distance in those sorts of temperatures. Yesterday I did a 30
mile ride with an average temperature of 45 degrees and
despite thermal clothing I had to ride fast to keep warm. This
morning after only 1050 feet of climbing I feel like a steam
roller went over me. But I think that the weather will hold
enough for me to get in another 25 miler on Tuesday and close
the year with 3600 miles and 132,000 feet of climbing. That is
only 400 miles below my yearly average for the last 4 years.
Though the climbing is only half of my normal because the
coffee stops are at the other end of the hills and I couldn't
go there except for one week when the "lock-down" went off.

In my experience riding down to about zero F can be no big deal
and quite comfortable given reasonable (not extreme or
expensive) clothing. Ice on streets is indeed a real problem.
Below zero, and worse in a wind, some care need be taken with
clothing but it's not impossible. OTOH it's often not
comfortable, but it is possible.

I don't do very well below about 30 F. Limiting factors are toes
(even with double wool socks, plastic bread bags, and neoprene
booties) and fingers (even with lobster gloves). This year I've
started using the small toe warming chemical packets marketed to
hunters, and they help a lot--but I haven't yet figured out a way
to do the same for my fingers (the packets don't fit beyond the
mitten part of the gloves).

A large section of sheep turned inside out works for me. I'm
a medium size guy overall but for mittens XL; more space =
more warm air.
I have a very hard time getting gloves large enough to fit my hands. Most of them pinch between my fingers and cut off the blood flow making them cold and quite sore afterwards. For summer gloves I use crocheted XL.

XXL is a standard product:
https://ussheepskin.com/product/yuko...pskin-mittens/


Well, you don't really need a larger size in mittens since it doesn't pull down between your fingers. I do have a set of winter mittens around here somewhere. But I also have a set of heavy winter gloves. But with Di2 you have a very hard time shifting with heavy gloves.


At 30F use what you like.
At zero F, I suggest fixed gear and sheepskin mittens. YMMV

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


 




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