A New Riding Year is Nearly Upon Us

Op dinsdag 29 december 2020 om 22:20:16 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021
Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.

-- Jay Beattie.

I find Park tools always very clunky looking and ridiculous overpriced. Something from a blacksmith instead of a machine shop. Still can be good tools except the price is not right. I had a similar experience with Speedplay. Up to two years ago I always used Speedplay pedals on my road-bikes. The fact that they are two sided appealed to me, but to be honest the quality of the seals of the pedals are not that good, but they are easy to overhaul. For the quality they are way overpriced, the cleats included. Around 45 euro's for just the cleats. Anyway, finally I found Speedplay compatible shoes that fitted my wide feet. They don't need an adaptor and/or shims to mount the cleats which is always a hassle and punt your feet further from the pedal axis. With the cleats you get ton of hardware and shims, but no suitable screws to mount the cleats to Speedplay compatible shoes. The ones included are too long or too short. WTF? I was so ****ed that I wrote an email explaining this ridiculous situation. Never expected an answer but one evening someone for customer service CALLED. He pointed out that they had a screw set available with the correct length I could buy for 10 USD (eight M3*12mm screws). Yeah right, have a nice day.

Lou

On 12/29/2020 2:38 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:

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I find Park tools always very clunky looking and ridiculous overpriced. Something from a blacksmith instead of a machine shop. Still can be good tools except the price is not right. I had a similar experience with Speedplay. Up to two years ago I always used Speedplay pedals on my road-bikes. The fact that they are two sided appealed to me, but to be honest the quality of the seals of the pedals are not that good, but they are easy to overhaul. For the quality they are way overpriced, the cleats included. Around 45 euro's for just the cleats. Anyway, finally I found Speedplay compatible shoes that fitted my wide feet. They don't need an adaptor and/or shims to mount the cleats which is always a hassle and punt your feet further from the pedal axis. With the cleats you get ton of hardware and shims, but no suitable screws to mount the cleats to Speedplay compatible shoes. The ones included are too long or too short. WTF? I was so ****ed that I wrote an email explaining this ridiculous situation. Never expected an answer but one evening someone for customer service CALLED. He pointed out that they had a screw set available with the correct length I could buy for 10 USD (eight M3*12mm screws). Yeah right, have a nice day.


I bought a Park pedal wrench once, looks like the PW-3. It was not
machined correctly, it was maybe 0.3mm too small to fit over the pedal.
I had to grind it a little.

On 12/29/2020 4:38 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op dinsdag 29 december 2020 om 22:20:16 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021
Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.

-- Jay Beattie.

I find Park tools always very clunky looking and ridiculous overpriced. Something from a blacksmith instead of a machine shop. Still can be good tools except the price is not right. I had a similar experience with Speedplay. Up to two years ago I always used Speedplay pedals on my road-bikes. The fact that they are two sided appealed to me, but to be honest the quality of the seals of the pedals are not that good, but they are easy to overhaul. For the quality they are way overpriced, the cleats included. Around 45 euro's for just the cleats. Anyway, finally I found Speedplay compatible shoes that fitted my wide feet. They don't need an adaptor and/or shims to mount the cleats which is always a hassle and punt your feet further from the pedal axis. With the cleats you get ton of hardware and shims, but no suitable screws to mount the cleats to Speedplay compatible shoes. The ones included are too long or too short. WTF? I was so ****ed that I wrote an email explaining this ridicul
ous situation. Never expected an answer but one evening someone for customer service CALLED. He pointed out that they had a screw set available with the correct length I could buy for 10 USD (eight M3*12mm screws). Yeah right, have a nice day.

Lou


Looking at the bright side, you don't pay import duty on
your nice Tacx tools.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:20:14 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021

Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.

-- Jay Beattie.


Water pump pliers. Available in several sizes and fit nearly
everything
https://www.amazon.com/Water-Pump-Pl...er+Pump+Pliers
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 12/29/2020 7:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:20:14 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021

Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.

-- Jay Beattie.


Water pump pliers. Available in several sizes and fit nearly
everything
https://www.amazon.com/Water-Pump-Pl...er+Pump+Pliers


I'm as 'live and let live' or 'de gustibus non disputandem'
as anyone usually, but that is just too much. A pliers on a
bolt or nut is offensive and a crime against nature. Repent!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 2:03:26 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 1:20:16 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021
Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic.. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.
Why don't you tell us when Kamala Harris was elected? At what point in history was the Vice President elected?

?

If you somehow feel the need not to upgrade a worn-out tool you're just SOL. They are cheap enough for me so why wouldn't they be for your extremely successful self?

Pedals use English BB threading which means you're not supposed to tighten them beyond snug which you can accomplish with the proper size Allen wrench.

When did Park Took start selling repair parts for tools that cost less than the part would?

Uh, Tom, I'm talking about the pedal body/spindle attachment and not the spindle crank attachment. The Look plastic wrenches look like this: https://tinyurl.com/ycwn2anz I own the swanky metal version of yore, which didn't fit. But a 19mm box end wrench fit, and I didn't even bother trying the plastic Shimano version, which might have fit.

The DAG-1 is not worn out. It's useless with through axle derailleur hangers, and I hoped Park made its tool upgradeable -- which it didn't. There are other issues with that tool that would prompt me to buy something different the next time around anyway, like the gauge doesn't flip out of the way when going around stays and fender brackets.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 22:26:37 -0000 (UTC), News 2020
wrote:

On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 14:31:38 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8,
wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef
:
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent
lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of
the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't
re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the
treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't
work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year
does mean what in this context?

Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this
group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.

What I haven't done is continually issued threats of violence against
people, nor continuously posted OT threads.

Lead by example.

Well... he has given us an example, several in fact, of his knowledge,
or perhaps more specifically, lack there of, of current events :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 2:38:03 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op dinsdag 29 december 2020 om 22:20:16 UTC+1 schreef jbeattie:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021
Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic.. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.

-- Jay Beattie.
I find Park tools always very clunky looking and ridiculous overpriced. Something from a blacksmith instead of a machine shop. Still can be good tools except the price is not right. I had a similar experience with Speedplay.. Up to two years ago I always used Speedplay pedals on my road-bikes. The fact that they are two sided appealed to me, but to be honest the quality of the seals of the pedals are not that good, but they are easy to overhaul. For the quality they are way overpriced, the cleats included. Around 45 euro's for just the cleats. Anyway, finally I found Speedplay compatible shoes that fitted my wide feet. They don't need an adaptor and/or shims to mount the cleats which is always a hassle and punt your feet further from the pedal axis. With the cleats you get ton of hardware and shims, but no suitable screws to mount the cleats to Speedplay compatible shoes. The ones included are too long or too short. WTF? I was so ****ed that I wrote an email explaining this ridiculous situation. Never expected an answer but one evening someone for customer service CALLED. He pointed out that they had a screw set available with the correct length I could buy for 10 USD (eight M3*12mm screws). Yeah right, have a nice day.

The Park headset press is nice, and the truing stand has been with me since 1978-9, when it was the only decent and affordable self-centering stand on the market, although the self-centering function was never perfect. I've got some drop-out alignment gauges that are nice -- not as nice as Campy, but for the amount of use they've gotten, they're fine. The smaller tools are not nearly as nice as some other manufacturers, and feature-wise, Park tends to be a half-step behind Shimano and some of the small manufacturers like our local tool maker: https://www.abbeybiketools.com/pages/about-us Frankly, though, I'm not in the market for a $100 USD shop hammer, but Abbey's derailleur hanger tool is really first rate and fixes a lot of the problems with the Park tool. With Park, they can go through three generations before really getting the features dialed in, sometimes pretty basic features like putting a driver socket on a tool.

And speaking of Tacx, I have my Tacx rollers from 1984-5, and when the bearings died the first time, one of the first things I did on the internet was to contact Tacx in NL and ask for some new bearings and an end cap (one had had cracked). They were really nice and sent me an end cap and some bearings. It was this magical internet communication with a foreign country. I learned the bearings were standard and just bought some spares. I got replacement fan belts from McMaster- Carr. I'm still riding those rollers.

-- Jay Beattie

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:24:27 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 12/29/2020 7:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:20:14 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021

Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.

-- Jay Beattie.


Water pump pliers. Available in several sizes and fit nearly
everything
https://www.amazon.com/Water-Pump-Pl...er+Pump+Pliers


I'm as 'live and let live' or 'de gustibus non disputandem'
as anyone usually, but that is just too much. A pliers on a
bolt or nut is offensive and a crime against nature. Repent!

Why ever so? A pair of, proper sized, water pump pliers is effectively
no different than an adjustable wrench, it present two parallel
surfaces to the fastener. Assuming, of course that the user knows what
he is doing :-)

And after all, adjustable wrenches - Ford Wrench, Monkey Wrench -
(monkey, in this case seems to denote a small light structure or piece
of equipment: a monkey foresail ; a monkey bridge) and so called Coach
Wrenches, apparently have been in use in the U.S. since at least the
18th century.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 8:24:40 p.m. UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/29/2020 7:13 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:20:14 -0800 (PST), jbeattie
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 5:22:31 a.m. UTC-5, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 23:31:40 UTC+1 schreef :
On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 1:07:51 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Op maandag 28 december 2020 om 19:05:53 UTC+1 schreef :
The only thing that we have to look forward to is the permanent lockdown from the Biden administration, the sudden change of heart of the National Institute of Health saying that since Trump wasn't re-elected that Hydroxychloroquine has become a magic bullet in the treatment of covid-19 and that the people who don't ride and don't work on bicycle will be the loudest on this group.
You being one of the loudest in this news group in this election year does mean what in this context?
Can you name one thing that Frank or John or Newsy had added to this group? If so perhaps you can tell us what it was.
Tom to me it looks like that in this election year you, Frank, John and Newsy hijacked this newsgroup with contra productive political drivel especially for non Usians. I don't mind a topic drift once in a while. It can be amusing or informative but what is going on lately is disgusting. You are all retired and should enjoy retirement instead of google all day.

Lou, 12600 km so far this year.
This EX-bicycling Newsgroup is FUBAR over run with Politics and Trolls and extremely little bicycling related content.

Cheers and hope for a better year in 2021

Let's talk about disc brake pads. Metal? Organic? I suppose the liberal communist fake-elected Kamala Harris would go for organic, after getting some of her illegal friends to shoot up my neighborhood!

Actually, here is a real gripe -- tools. Park has gone through three iterations of the derailleur hanger adjustment gauge. The tool I have -- the DAG-1 -- and then the DAG-2 and now the DAG 2.2. My tool does not work on my through-axle bike because the flat tool face does not seat against the hanger profile. https://www.parktool.com/assets/img/...rged/DAG-1.jpg To accommodate this now-known problem with through axle hangers, the new DAG-2.2 (but not the DAG-2) has a longer center shaft: https://www..parktool.com/assets/img...AG-2.2_001.jpg

Now, in a fair world (not one run by Joe Biden!), a manufacturer would produce a new model with the same diameter center shaft so they could be swapped. But no. Here is the response to my inquiry from Park Tool:

Hi Jay,
Thank you for using our products and your replacement part request.
Sorry, but Ref #3/Part #591.2 Inside Shaft used in our current DAG-2.2 is not compatible with older DAG-1/DAG-2 tools.
Please purchase a new DAG-2.2 from your local bike shop/online.
Thanks again,
Marc

Purchase a new tool! I'll do that, but not from you. I'll use the old tool for home defense or clubbing baby harp seals on ice floes in the Arctic. https://www.humanesociety.org/sites/...?itok=Id6IQs-t That's what happens to the old DAG-1s. They become bringers of death.

Park also doesn't' support my TS-1 truing stand which is still a fine stand, although mine needs some TLC and some swanky new parts, but the rebuild kit is only for later models. Buy a new stand! And don't get me going on all the outmoded and superseded BB tools.

Here is some good tool news: I was fixing up the Norco for use by my son during his visit, and I noted that my Keo 2 Max pedal spindle was loose. The retaining nut that screws into the pedal body has a star-shaped wrench fitting which is not the same pattern as my old Look/DuraAce tool, and I was ready to get ****ed off about superseded tools, but I figured out that a standard box-end wrench (19mm?) fit it perfectly. Disaster averted.

-- Jay Beattie.


Water pump pliers. Available in several sizes and fit nearly
everything
https://www.amazon.com/Water-Pump-Pl...er+Pump+Pliers

I'm as 'live and let live' or 'de gustibus non disputandem'
as anyone usually, but that is just too much. A pliers on a
bolt or nut is offensive and a crime against nature. Repent!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I've seen more bicycle fittings ruined by ill fitted pliers, slip-joint pliers or locking pliers (aka commonly called vice-grips) than through years of actual use.

Cheers