What cycling needs is more rules

Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/5/2021 2:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked

I share your indignation! And when I used to play soccer, they wouldn't
let me use my hands! What's up with that?? Talk about random rules!!

Actually, this is the position I wonder about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY
It certainly looks more aero, unlike the supertuck. Is it legal?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:43:02 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
I share your indignation! And when I used to play soccer, they wouldn't
let me use my hands! What's up with that?? Talk about random rules!!

Actually, this is the position I wonder about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY
It certainly looks more aero, unlike the supertuck. Is it legal?

Andrew, what do you suppose would happen if you're in a "supertuck" passing riders in the peloton and one of the riders pulls out of line to rotate to the back of a string? What becomes of that guy in the supertuck if he is taken down? This isn't a needless rule. It is a safety regulation to protect the rider from potential extreme physical damage. The same with this belly on the saddle position. As he went down the line it was time for the front guy to rotate off so he must have been talking to those people. It would not be legal to use any position that does not allow you full control of the bike under normal conditions. I prefer my racers alive.

On 2/5/2021 2:42 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked


I share your indignation! And when I used to play soccer,
they wouldn't let me use my hands! What's up with that??
Talk about random rules!!

Actually, this is the position I wonder about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY
It certainly looks more aero, unlike the supertuck. Is it
legal?


I have no idea about 'within or outside' whatever rules may
be at any given moment.

But riders have been tucking in elbows, crouching over
handlebars and so on for well over a hundred years to
greater or lesser degrees to greater or lesser effect.
What's the problem we're trying to solve? Laying across a
saddle is great if you win, it's only dorky if you don't.

There was a great hue and cry about Boardmen when he set the
record. But he did in fact ride faster. That's enough for me.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It's too bad the author didn't link to that study claiming the low tuck wasn't any better.

On 2/5/2021 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:43:02 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
I share your indignation! And when I used to play soccer, they wouldn't
let me use my hands! What's up with that?? Talk about random rules!!

Actually, this is the position I wonder about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY
It certainly looks more aero, unlike the supertuck. Is it legal?

Andrew, what do you suppose would happen if you're in a "supertuck" passing riders in the peloton and one of the riders pulls out of line to rotate to the back of a string? What becomes of that guy in the supertuck if he is taken down? This isn't a needless rule. It is a safety regulation to protect the rider from potential extreme physical damage. The same with this belly on the saddle position. As he went down the line it was time for the front guy to rotate off so he must have been talking to those people. It would not be legal to use any position that does not allow you full control of the bike under normal conditions. I prefer my racers alive.


Where's the line on that?

"You're out of the saddle over your bars illegally being all
aero and such!"

"No, I'm not. I'm just standing for a moment to change my
back position."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/5/2021 5:59 PM, wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 2:59:35 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It's too bad the author didn't link to that study claiming the low tuck wasn't any better.

Yes, I'd have liked to see a link there.

From other articles I've seen, once you get rid of things like flapping
clothing, drag reduction is almost entirely a matter of reducing frontal
area. Aero frame tubes, aero spokes and other such details cause only
very minor improvements.

So I'd like to see a front view of the supertuck compared to competing
positions. It looks to me like the rider's back is lower, but his elbows
stick out farther; and elbows are badly shaped for airflow.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 3:01:53 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:43:02 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
I share your indignation! And when I used to play soccer, they wouldn't
let me use my hands! What's up with that?? Talk about random rules!!

Actually, this is the position I wonder about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY
It certainly looks more aero, unlike the supertuck. Is it legal?

Andrew, what do you suppose would happen if you're in a "supertuck" passing riders in the peloton and one of the riders pulls out of line to rotate to the back of a string? What becomes of that guy in the supertuck if he is taken down? This isn't a needless rule. It is a safety regulation to protect the rider from potential extreme physical damage. The same with this belly on the saddle position. As he went down the line it was time for the front guy to rotate off so he must have been talking to those people. It would not be legal to use any position that does not allow you full control of the bike under normal conditions. I prefer my racers alive.

Where's the line on that?

"You're out of the saddle over your bars illegally being all
aero and such!"

"No, I'm not. I'm just standing for a moment to change my
back position."

When I started racing, you could be DQ'd for not wearing white socks. What's the deal? Were red socks too fast? Centerline violation! https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/...v1/1000x-1.jpg Try baseball: https://www.mlb.com/cut4/c40850544

-- Jay Beattie.

On 2/5/2021 5:34 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 3:01:53 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:43:02 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
I share your indignation! And when I used to play soccer, they wouldn't
let me use my hands! What's up with that?? Talk about random rules!!

Actually, this is the position I wonder about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY
It certainly looks more aero, unlike the supertuck. Is it legal?

Andrew, what do you suppose would happen if you're in a "supertuck" passing riders in the peloton and one of the riders pulls out of line to rotate to the back of a string? What becomes of that guy in the supertuck if he is taken down? This isn't a needless rule. It is a safety regulation to protect the rider from potential extreme physical damage. The same with this belly on the saddle position. As he went down the line it was time for the front guy to rotate off so he must have been talking to those people. It would not be legal to use any position that does not allow you full control of the bike under normal conditions. I prefer my racers alive.

Where's the line on that?

"You're out of the saddle over your bars illegally being all
aero and such!"

"No, I'm not. I'm just standing for a moment to change my
back position."

When I started racing, you could be DQ'd for not wearing white socks. What's the deal? Were red socks too fast? Centerline violation! https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/...v1/1000x-1.jpg Try baseball: https://www.mlb.com/cut4/c40850544

-- Jay Beattie.



And the ABL officials measured riders' bike shorts length.
Did that make our world better in any way? Which way?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 4:40:45 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/5/2021 5:34 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 3:01:53 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 12:43:02 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/5/2021 2:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Arbitrary and capricious, randomly applied, are best!

https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/the-rou...olutely-tucked
I share your indignation! And when I used to play soccer, they wouldn't
let me use my hands! What's up with that?? Talk about random rules!!

Actually, this is the position I wonder about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz7ZMALaCY
It certainly looks more aero, unlike the supertuck. Is it legal?

Andrew, what do you suppose would happen if you're in a "supertuck" passing riders in the peloton and one of the riders pulls out of line to rotate to the back of a string? What becomes of that guy in the supertuck if he is taken down? This isn't a needless rule. It is a safety regulation to protect the rider from potential extreme physical damage. The same with this belly on the saddle position. As he went down the line it was time for the front guy to rotate off so he must have been talking to those people. It would not be legal to use any position that does not allow you full control of the bike under normal conditions. I prefer my racers alive.

Where's the line on that?

"You're out of the saddle over your bars illegally being all
aero and such!"

"No, I'm not. I'm just standing for a moment to change my
back position."

When I started racing, you could be DQ'd for not wearing white socks. What's the deal? Were red socks too fast? Centerline violation! https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/...v1/1000x-1.jpg Try baseball: https://www.mlb.com/cut4/c40850544

-- Jay Beattie.


And the ABL officials measured riders' bike shorts length.
Did that make our world better in any way? Which way?

Andrew, we could always cite really stupid rules, but it isn't as if banning the "supertuck" is a bad idea when these people are endangering others in the peloton because they simple cannot have sufficient control to avoid dangerous situations that always arise when you have a peloton riding in close proximity.