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  #181  
Old May 28th 07, 07:52 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
Bolwerk
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Amy Blankenship wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message
link.net...
Pushing the labor laws back to those of the third world is not a viable
goal. Such work is abusive, and if you pull the pedicab yourself, then
you
are abusing yourself.


I guess any work that involves physical exertion is "abusive." Like,
say, construction, carpentry...um, farming?

George believes that everyone in the US should be free...
to do things George approves of.


I'm starting to wonder if George knows what George approves of.
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  #182  
Old May 28th 07, 07:56 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
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George Conklin wrote:
"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
...
"George Conklin" wrote:
"Bolwerk" wrote
George Conklin wrote:

I suggest you understand the demography of poverty these days, which

you
obviously do not.

Here is an article by the President of the Southern Sociological

Society:
http://www.ncsociology.org/sociationtoday/v42/wim.htm

Read it and stop blessing your own stupidity.
I don't see any reason to open that URL.
Naturally. You bask in ignorance and stupidity.

He can't help it... it's chronic.


Failing to follow your red herring isn't "ignorance and stupidity."
Maybe I have better ways to spend my time.

Agreed. He should open the URL and look at the real facts. Ron gave a
presentation of several hours with even more current data in April in
Atlanta. He had cartograms of USA counties which were amazing. They will
be in Social Forces in a few months.


Oh, so now I'm supposed to prove your point for you? You're not even
addressing the initial point.
  #183  
Old May 28th 07, 08:26 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
Joe the Aroma
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"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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In the U.S., places like Compton don't have poverty? Detroit? The Bronx?


Do they? Don't mistake dysfunction for poverty.


  #184  
Old May 28th 07, 08:43 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
Scott M. Kozel
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"George Conklin" wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote
"George Conklin" wrote:
"Bolwerk" wrote
George Conklin wrote:

I suggest you understand the demography of poverty these days, which you
obviously do not.

Here is an article by the President of the Southern Sociological Society:

http://www.ncsociology.org/sociationtoday/v42/wim.htm

Read it and stop blessing your own stupidity.

I don't see any reason to open that URL.

Naturally. You bask in ignorance and stupidity.


He can't help it... it's chronic.


Agreed. He should open the URL and look at the real facts. Ron gave a
presentation of several hours with even more current data in April in
Atlanta. He had cartograms of USA counties which were amazing. They will
be in Social Forces in a few months.


Bolshevik is not interested in facts...
he wants to maintain his preconceived notions.
  #185  
Old May 28th 07, 09:27 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
Bolwerk
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Joe the Aroma wrote:
"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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In the U.S., places like Compton don't have poverty? Detroit? The Bronx?


Do they? Don't mistake dysfunction for poverty.


Rural poverty doesn't include "dysfunction"?
  #186  
Old May 28th 07, 10:02 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 16:20:05 GMT, in misc.transport.urban-transit
"George Conklin" wrote in
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"Free Lunch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 28 May 2007 15:45:56 GMT, in misc.transport.urban-transit
"George Conklin" wrote in
k.net:

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 28 May 2007 11:18:36 -0400, in misc.transport.urban-transit
Bolwerk wrote in
:
George Conklin wrote:
...
Poverty today is concentrated in rural areas. Cities have driven

the price
of food down, down, down.

In the U.S., places like Compton don't have poverty? Detroit? The

Bronx?

George has hobbyhorses, he rides them wherever he can.

I just know demographic facts, unlike the ignorant like you.

And you selectively simplify them to the point that they are no longer
accurate.


You are wrong again. You need to use some of the international data

sources
which are out there. But, for the United States, poverty is now

concentrated
in rural areas, and there are more poor people in the suburbs than in the
city. You are the one with old data.


Since when do you get to redefine suburban as rural?


Only you do that.


  #187  
Old May 28th 07, 10:03 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
George Conklin
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"Bolwerk" wrote in message
...
George Conklin wrote:
"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
...
"George Conklin" wrote:
"Bolwerk" wrote
George Conklin wrote:

I suggest you understand the demography of poverty these days, which

you
obviously do not.

Here is an article by the President of the Southern Sociological

Society:
http://www.ncsociology.org/sociationtoday/v42/wim.htm

Read it and stop blessing your own stupidity.
I don't see any reason to open that URL.
Naturally. You bask in ignorance and stupidity.
He can't help it... it's chronic.


Failing to follow your red herring isn't "ignorance and stupidity."
Maybe I have better ways to spend my time.


You always find ignorance a good way to spend you time.


  #188  
Old May 28th 07, 10:03 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
George Conklin
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Default What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands


"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
...
"George Conklin" wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote
"George Conklin" wrote:
"Bolwerk" wrote
George Conklin wrote:

I suggest you understand the demography of poverty these days,

which you
obviously do not.

Here is an article by the President of the Southern Sociological

Society:

http://www.ncsociology.org/sociationtoday/v42/wim.htm

Read it and stop blessing your own stupidity.

I don't see any reason to open that URL.

Naturally. You bask in ignorance and stupidity.

He can't help it... it's chronic.


Agreed. He should open the URL and look at the real facts. Ron gave a
presentation of several hours with even more current data in April in
Atlanta. He had cartograms of USA counties which were amazing. They

will
be in Social Forces in a few months.


Bolshevik is not interested in facts...
he wants to maintain his preconceived notions.


He finds ignorance comforting.


  #189  
Old May 28th 07, 10:16 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
George Conklin
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"Bolwerk" wrote in message
...
Amy Blankenship wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message
link.net...
Pushing the labor laws back to those of the third world is not a

viable
goal. Such work is abusive, and if you pull the pedicab yourself, then
you
are abusing yourself.


I guess any work that involves physical exertion is "abusive." Like,
say, construction, carpentry...um, farming?

George believes that everyone in the US should be free...
to do things George approves of.


I'm starting to wonder if George knows what George approves of.


Pushing third world abuses into the USA is no victory for anyone but this
fool.



  #190  
Old May 28th 07, 11:43 PM posted to alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.rides,misc.transport.urban-transit
Amy Blankenship
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"George Conklin" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Bolwerk" wrote in message
...
Amy Blankenship wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message
link.net...
Pushing the labor laws back to those of the third world is not a

viable
goal. Such work is abusive, and if you pull the pedicab yourself,
then
you
are abusing yourself.


I guess any work that involves physical exertion is "abusive." Like,
say, construction, carpentry...um, farming?

George believes that everyone in the US should be free...
to do things George approves of.


I'm starting to wonder if George knows what George approves of.


Pushing third world abuses into the USA is no victory for anyone but this
fool.


You have failed to convince anyone (except maybe your alter ego, Scott) that
bicycle taxis are abusive as practiced in the US. Your line of logic seems
to be something like this:

Rhubarb leaves are often red, and can be poisonous.
Tomatoes are often red, and are always poisonous.

Do you not see the flaw in this kind of "logic"?

-Amy


 




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