What American Cities are Missing: Bikes by the Thousands

"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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George Conklin wrote:
"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
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"George Conklin" wrote:
"Bolwerk" wrote
George Conklin wrote:

I suggest you understand the demography of poverty these days, which
you
obviously do not.

Here is an article by the President of the Southern Sociological
Society:
http://www.ncsociology.org/sociationtoday/v42/wim.htm

Read it and stop blessing your own stupidity.
I don't see any reason to open that URL.
Naturally. You bask in ignorance and stupidity.
He can't help it... it's chronic.

Failing to follow your red herring isn't "ignorance and stupidity."
Maybe I have better ways to spend my time.


You always find ignorance a good way to spend you time.

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in message
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"George Conklin" wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote
"George Conklin" wrote:
"Bolwerk" wrote
George Conklin wrote:

I suggest you understand the demography of poverty these days,
which you
obviously do not.

Here is an article by the President of the Southern Sociological
Society:

http://www.ncsociology.org/sociationtoday/v42/wim.htm

Read it and stop blessing your own stupidity.

I don't see any reason to open that URL.

Naturally. You bask in ignorance and stupidity.

He can't help it... it's chronic.

Agreed. He should open the URL and look at the real facts. Ron gave a
presentation of several hours with even more current data in April in
Atlanta. He had cartograms of USA counties which were amazing. They
will
be in Social Forces in a few months.

Bolshevik is not interested in facts...
he wants to maintain his preconceived notions.

He finds ignorance comforting.

"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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Amy Blankenship wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message
link.net...
Pushing the labor laws back to those of the third world is not a
viable
goal. Such work is abusive, and if you pull the pedicab yourself, then
you
are abusing yourself.

I guess any work that involves physical exertion is "abusive." Like,
say, construction, carpentry...um, farming?

George believes that everyone in the US should be free...
to do things George approves of.

I'm starting to wonder if George knows what George approves of.

Pushing third world abuses into the USA is no victory for anyone but this
fool.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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Amy Blankenship wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message
link.net...
Pushing the labor laws back to those of the third world is not a
viable
goal. Such work is abusive, and if you pull the pedicab yourself,
then
you
are abusing yourself.

I guess any work that involves physical exertion is "abusive." Like,
say, construction, carpentry...um, farming?

George believes that everyone in the US should be free...
to do things George approves of.

I'm starting to wonder if George knows what George approves of.

Pushing third world abuses into the USA is no victory for anyone but this
fool.

You have failed to convince anyone (except maybe your alter ego, Scott) that
bicycle taxis are abusive as practiced in the US. Your line of logic seems
to be something like this:

Rhubarb leaves are often red, and can be poisonous.
Tomatoes are often red, and are always poisonous.

Do you not see the flaw in this kind of "logic"?

-Amy

On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:16:20 -0700, (Tom Keats)
wrote:

In article ,
Nobody writes:

It simply is not practicable (note the use of adjective), either by
wish or function.

It is for me, and for many others.


Yeah, but what youse who like this "challenge" in transportation don't
seem to appreciate, you're not even in the slightest minority.

We have enough presence to show up in modal share statistics
for numerous North American cities.

I lke to go biking for exercise, enjoyment...but for basic
transportation to and from my place of employment 10 km away? Go jump
in the closest pond.

10 km might be a bit much for a beginning rider.
But it doesn't take long to be able to easily
and routinely ride that distance, and even further.

It just does not make sense for most of us. As I say, it is not
"practicable". (And that's different than beng practical.)

Who exactly /is/ "most of us"?

And why are you so vehement about discouraging people
from cycle-commuting by denying its practice-ability?

Bloody hell, what you're suggesting is a situation of "enthusiasts"
dictating what they believe the rest of humanity should be doing.

I'm not discouraging anybody from doing anything.

So, regardless of distance, let's say, I can (i.e. "am able to") ride
a bicycle to work. Um, urban size dictates that is gonna be a
time-consuming, and in weather-challenging conditions, rather
unpleasant.

I, as a fine, upstanding citizen, might grind my butt away.. and be
very happy with that.

But a helluva lot of others won't be. YOU quantify that proportion,
be it 95 or 75 or 50 or 25%! Given the paucity of two-wheelers versus
even puiblic transit vehicles, I think you'll discover the percentage
of negatives will be way closer to the High Mark than lower.

Of course, your next suggestion might be that I move my home location
to be closer to my ultimate destination.

Sure... I move... and then I negotiate a more beneficial employment
contract elsewhere. So I have to move? And probably have to SELL
then re-buy? Simply to satisfy the quirks of the Huff-And-Puff crowd?

Give us all a break

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"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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That there's disproportionate poverty in rural areas is well known, and
nobody is denying it, near as I can tell. The point was that George
blames urban areas for failings of rural economies. Many of these
failings go back generations.

And then when richer people move to the rural area and buy up the property,
George complains again - railing about "horse farms". In short, all George
has to offer is jealousy and NO solutions.

"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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Amy Blankenship wrote:
George believes that everyone in the US should be free...
to do things George approves of.

I'm starting to wonder if George knows what George approves of.

George approves of everyone owning at least one car per person and never
walking, riding a bike, or using passenger rail. In fact, he wants everyone
to drive their cars from their bedrooms to their cubicles, because even
walking to and from their cars might threaten his car fetish.

S

--
Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything
CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
K5SSS --Isaac Asimov


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"donquijote1954" wrote in message
oups.com...
--eco-terrorists are aptly named. Its not that things aren't changing,
they are, albiet slowly, the "eco-terrorist" have been very lucky in
that they haven't killed anyone that we know of yet. Destroying new
housing, SUV's or burning down ski lodges may not be the same as Osama
bin Goathumper planning the destruction of the WTC but if you read
some of the blogs these nuts and thier supporters put out there, it is
very clear that they don't consider anyone who disagrees with them in
the slightest to have any right to be heard. It is literally thier way
or the highway. Anything they do to stop those they disagree with is
just a-okay. Scaring folks is just alright with them.--


If you use and abuse the term you may have to include some other folks
out there, namely ROAD TERRORISM...

"Road rage (also road violence, road terrorism) is the common name for
deliberately dangerous and/or violent behaviour under the influence of
heightened anger, by any motor vehicle operator, affecting the safety
of one or more other operators or bystanders."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_rage

Oh, by the way, I really feel TERRORIZED while riding my bike. SUV
terrorists and cell phone terrorists terrorize me the most.

I keep telling you, mi Senor, those are not war machines, but windmills.

"Baxter" wrote in message
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"Bolwerk" wrote in message
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That there's disproportionate poverty in rural areas is well known, and
nobody is denying it, near as I can tell. The point was that George
blames urban areas for failings of rural economies. Many of these
failings go back generations.

And then when richer people move to the rural area and buy up the
property, George complains again - railing about "horse farms". In short,
all George has to offer is jealousy and NO solutions.

Tsk, tsk. You are totally not paying attention to what George says. He is
completely ok with people who have more money than the rural people buying
up the property so that they can build subdivisions and the area is no
longer rural. So then the _rest_ of the rural area is poor, and he still
has something to complain about. I think if George got everything he
advocates (impossible, since he's so logically inconsistent), he' do a
complete 180 so he'd have more to complain about.

On May 25, 4:04 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:

Under that logic, you should start by banning 53-foot trailers and
tandems.-

They know how to drive. The avarage semi driver is well above the
average Joe SUV.

When there is an accident with an 18-wheeler, the car driver is 9 times more
likely to be killed.-

If it is 16 times for an SUV vs. car, it must be like 160 times more
deadly in a semi vs. car. Imagine what it would be if semi drivers
were as poorly trained and as careless as SUV drivers. Probably worse
than Iraq.