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Economics not bicycle tech
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. So there is no more point in me trying anymore. I've done this for five years and have gotten exactly nowhere even though I've totally restored both her Colnago Master Piu and her Mercian. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. When I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built a tandem and rode it around in the parking area. Then they got bored and turned it into a triple and rode it around in the parking area... They finally got up to a fiver", they called it, and found that it was impossible to ride as, I gathered, it was impossible to coordinate the action of all five riders. Which is proof that unless you went overboard you "could" mount your entire family on one bicycle :-) Imagine the Pater Familias mounted at the front in all his glory and the three behind, nose to the handle bars and sweating :-? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 08:27:24 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote: On Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 6:47:45 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/9/2020 9:20 PM, John B. wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 09:13:12 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich wrote: On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 6:55:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 4/8/2020 8:02 PM, John B. wrote: On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 7:35:32 PM UTC-7, Ralph Barone wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Tuesday, April 7, 2020 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:03:33 -0500, AMuzi wrote: You could embrace the new religion, face Mosinee Wisconsin and give thanks for the sacred toilet paper we send out to redeem the world. It's suddenly the only sacred artifact in the nation. (I don't understand this phenomenon either. It's mystical.) Did y'all "send out" toilet paper? I thought that it was hoarded by the multitudes and was no longer available in the "the land of the free and the home of the brave (with dirty bums)"? Oh, they're sending it out. My long haul trucker friend posted a photo of a line of tractor trailers maybe a quarter mile long. They were lined up to pick up shipments of toilet paper. We went to the grocery today. On the twenty foot long double shelves that are usually filled with packs of toilet paper, we saw two packs of Charmin (6 rolls each) and maybe 20 individual discount rolls. We snagged one Charmin pack. Woo hoo! One interesting aspect: If this scare suddenly ends, the toilet paper factories will have to shut down for a month or more. Nobody will need to buy any for a long time. - Frank Krygowski I think it will actually work out well for them. The toilet paper factories are running flat out now. Once everybody has too much and the virus situation continues to worsen, they can let their staff run off of their banked overtime and stay home with pay. Ralph, It appears that 3 out of 4 people have immune systems that react very rapidly to this virus and they cannot become infected. They are primed by the fact that Covid-19 is very similar to the cold virus so immunity is pretty much built-in. Of the 25% of the population left, 80% of them had no or very mild symptoms. The remaining 20% is unclear since they are not properly testing people but it appears that the virus CAN be fatal to about 3% of them however the treatment methods look to be working very well. Perhaps this is the reason that there seems to be a sharp drop in fatalities. Though perhaps it can be more widespread testing which increases the baseline and makes the mortality rate calculations. What if rather than 80% having little to no symptoms, only 5% do and only 3% of those are in danger? And treatment appears to be working on 80% of those? I am quite upset at the apparently total fake claims from the CDC. It now appears that we will have fewer than 10% of the predicted fatalities from the CDC and that is not just room for error but totally missing the mark. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries World wide, of the 418,136 cases which, to date, have had an outcome: 329,731 (79%) Recovered 88,405 (21%) died But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger. In California https://coronavirus.app/tracking/california there are have been 18,909 cases diagnosed and 495 deaths and no recoveries. But don't worry folks Tommy says there is no danger. -- cheers, John B. a larger perspective: https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04...death-numbers/ Note that CDC now wants any death from any cause listed as Wuhan virus COVID19, if that tests as present. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 That is rather outdated but the percentages are more or less the same. But that's OK, according to all of the people in the know here, covid-19 is so dangerous we have to shut down the entire economy in order to defeat it. They do not know the mortality rates, they don't know how many people are naturally immune and they don't know the numbers of people who are not naturally immune that have had it or have it but they are positive that the sky is falling. Tommy, I'm going to tell you a story. Way back in the 1960's young men were literally flocking out of the country to avoid the draft, "to be sent to Vietnam to die". One writer stated that "Estimates of the total number of American citizens who moved to Canada range from 50,000 to 125,000 This exodus was "the largest politically motivated migration from the United States since the United Empire Loyalists moved north to oppose the American Revolution." The reality was that in 1968, the worst year of the war, some 16,899 U.S. forces were killed. FOR ONE YEAR. Now, we are told that in the U.S., for the 75 days that the Virus has been active, some 16,485 have died. FOR 75 DAYS. (If you project that rate of death for an entire year you arrive at the number "80,227") Forgetting any heart stopping projections, by tomorrow, we will likely reach a death toll that 50 years ago so terrified the younger generation that they ran away to Canada. And you tell us, "Don't worry"? There's this interesting animation.: https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1812248/ You still don't get the point do you? Covid-19 causes VERY few deaths itself. And only to a very tiny number of the population that have a faulty immune system. Tom, let me ask you a question. How do you know? Do you have any reliable evidence to support your argument? Or you just a poor old man trying frantically to convince people that you really are knowledgeable? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:30:19 -0400,
Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 5:43 PM, AMuzi wrote: On 4/10/2020 1:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 2:08 PM, Ted Heise wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), ???? jbeattie wrote: ?? On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:30:23 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. The "leading her around" bit may have been a factor. Sounds patronizing. Even if you didn't intend it that way, she may well have taken it as such. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. ?? Or not.?? There is a reason they're called divorcycles. Often, but not always.?? The standard rubric on the tandem list is: "No matter what direction your relationship is headed, a tandem will get you there faster." I can think of six tandem couples who are or were friends of ours from around here. No divorces in the lot. One of the guys passed away last year in his 80s. Another couple, also in their 80s, no longer rides but are still happily married. I'm sure tandem divorces happen, I just don't happen to know any. Hmm. Do they split custody? From time to time we ride with the Indiana tandem club. There are a great number of very happy couples in that group, but it's quite affected by selection bias. I've also seen couples come apart over it, or just give up riding together so they don't come apart. I remember riding past a tandem on a 20 mile climb up some pass in Colorado, and the male captain was just berating the hell out of the female stoker. I've been around tandems for many years and I'm afraid Ted's right on this. It's not 50-50, but tandems can bring out conflict more often than you'd imagine. Tandems are not the cause, they just open that can, worms or no. Well, perhaps related: We once had a canoe I called the "River Pig." It had a very broad beam and very flat bottom, and was very, very slow. It was probably intended for fishing, or perhaps duck hunting. Eventually I wanted to upgrade. I wanted to shop for a lighter, narrower, faster canoe. My wife said "No way." She demanded her own kayak. She wanted to control where she went. And so, we now have two kayaks. But she absolutely loves the tandem! My wife does too, and for that I'm extremely thankful. The control bit is really central. It's much harder to manage the tandem when she's recently been out on her single, as she tends to look around me up the road. This sometimes affects the balance, but nearly always blocks my eyeglass mounted mirror's rear view of traffic behind us. I've tried explaining that it's added risk, because her awareness of potential issues will be much slower in effect than my own. This doesn't usually go over very well, as it comes off as criticism. So I more and more just ignore it. We should be able to get out this afternoon for a few hours. Yay! -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 15:55:09 -0700,
Mark J. wrote: On 4/10/2020 2:22 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 3:18 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 11:26:45 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 2:08 PM, Ted Heise wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), ?????? jbeattie wrote: ???? On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:30:23 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Buy a tandem. It works. ???? Or not.?? There is a reason they're called divorcycles. Often, but not always.?? The standard rubric on the tandem list is: "No matter what direction your relationship is headed, a tandem will get you there faster." I can think of six tandem couples who are or were friends of ours from around here. No divorces in the lot. One of the guys passed away last year in his 80s. Another couple, also in their 80s, no longer rides but are still happily married. I'm sure tandem divorces happen, I just don't happen to know any. Hmm. Do they split custody? Well, not real divorces -- I would hope most couples could withstand a bad bike ride, but you do have wives who refuse.?? My wife refused in the middle of?? nearly 20% pitch because she was tired of me pushing her to drop a friend we were racing up Rocky Point. She was a racer and a hell of a climber, but she let me know when she had had enough. When you have a good stoker, you can get spoiled and push too hard. Ah, the good old days. I sometimes tell my wife to ease off pedaling, mostly on uphills. I don't want her to run out of steam 15 miles from home. I hope it's done more tactfully than described here (i.e., "telling" rather than "asking"), but it must be so if you're still tandeming. About a stoker "refusing": She does sometimes get nervous on fast downhills or turns. I haven't told her that she can apply the rear brake by just yanking up on the open brake cable that runs along the top tube. Some things are best kept secret. We once had a woman friend we met at a distant bike rally. We became very good friends over the years. She'd never ridden tandem, so one day we got our kid out of the baby seat on the back, then let our friend try stoking. It was suddenly like having a rocket assist, almost scary. I think she was just wanting to make sure she did her part. But I doubt she could have kept up that power level for long. I got my Big Ten varsity track athlete son on the back one time, and the power was unbelieveable. We did not go far, and my wife did not like it one bit. I think she did not want her ability impugned (or her special role diminished?). Since then, I haven't ventured to try it again. I do recall the bike being a lot more wobbly with him on the back--no doubt due to the effect of any movement being amplified by nearly 2X the weight. On the opposite end of things, I knew a woman who met and married a guy who just showed up alone on a tandem at an organized ride and recruited her to ride with him.?? From what I understand, it was a total chance meeting -- and the rest is history. I guess if the guy turned out to be a perv, she could have just stomped on the pedals and steered from the stoker seat. Don't **** off your stoker! I knew a guy (and have heard of others) who bought tandems expressly to trawl for women. Sometimes it even works. The first time I rode a tandem, I was on the stoker seat and a strong riding friend of mine was captain. It was a very flexible French tandem, maybe Gitane. Yes, I steered from the stoker seat, right off the road! It was a reflex I couldn't control. We did fine when we switched positions. Fortunately, my wife is a very stable stoker. I've only stoked a few times (twice, I think, separated by decades), but I've captained tandems for tens of thousands of miles. My (admittedly poorly-informed) opinion of back-seat steering is what the fellow who sold me my tandem told me: "You can't turn from the stoker seat, but you can veto a turn." Well, maybe. I sometimes have to make almost a panic correction in corners, when my wife has leaned into it more than just staying centered over the bike. So I think your point is mostly correct, but also think it's not that simple. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 2:43:57 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/10/2020 1:26 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 2:08 PM, Ted Heise wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie wrote: On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:30:23 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. So there is no more point in me trying anymore. I've done this for five years and have gotten exactly nowhere even though I've totally restored both her Colnago Master Piu and her Mercian. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. Or not. There is a reason they're called divorcycles. Often, but not always. The standard rubric on the tandem list is: "No matter what direction your relationship is headed, a tandem will get you there faster." I can think of six tandem couples who are or were friends of ours from around here. No divorces in the lot. One of the guys passed away last year in his 80s. Another couple, also in their 80s, no longer rides but are still happily married. I'm sure tandem divorces happen, I just don't happen to know any. Hmm. Do they split custody? I've been around tandems for many years and I'm afraid Ted's right on this. It's not 50-50, but tandems can bring out conflict more often than you'd imagine. Tandems are not the cause, they just open that can, worms or no. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 My wife and I simply could not share a tandem. Both had completely different cadences and riding styles. To suggest that this would fix more problems than it solves is rather silly. |
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On 4/10/2020 9:08 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. So there is no more point in me trying anymore. I've done this for five years and have gotten exactly nowhere even though I've totally restored both her Colnago Master Piu and her Mercian. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. When I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built a tandem and rode it around in the parking area. Then they got bored and turned it into a triple and rode it around in the parking area... They finally got up to a fiver", they called it, and found that it was impossible to ride as, I gathered, it was impossible to coordinate the action of all five riders. https://www.cyclemuseum.org.uk/Tandems.aspx "Five seat tandems were used as pacer machines in cycle races for a short period in the 1890s until the introduction of motor powered pacers at the beginning of the twentieth century." Also https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/lon.../longbike1.jpg etc. etc. We've ridden alongside people on "quads." -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:31:39 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2020 9:08 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. So there is no more point in me trying anymore. I've done this for five years and have gotten exactly nowhere even though I've totally restored both her Colnago Master Piu and her Mercian. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. When I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built a tandem and rode it around in the parking area. Then they got bored and turned it into a triple and rode it around in the parking area... They finally got up to a fiver", they called it, and found that it was impossible to ride as, I gathered, it was impossible to coordinate the action of all five riders. https://www.cyclemuseum.org.uk/Tandems.aspx "Five seat tandems were used as pacer machines in cycle races for a short period in the 1890s until the introduction of motor powered pacers at the beginning of the twentieth century." Also https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/lon.../longbike1.jpg etc. etc. We've ridden alongside people on "quads." -- - Frank Krygowski With product and business naming, Barry Beams was a fun name for a hobby. But kinda hokey sounding to put on a sign or a label on the box. Then when investors come in and the venture becomes a serious effort in sales and marketing, branding the business along with the products as Oculus Lights became a prudent change in to attract customers looking for serious headlights, and as a statement that the business has progressed from a eccentric idea into something that really is bringing disruptive innovation to the industry. Ironically, the greatest value of all may be the name, because it turns out I first used the name "Oculus" a few months before the Oculus that Facebook bought, and I own many variations of Oculus as fictitious business names. If they ever want me to stop using the name, they're welcome to make me an offer I can't refuse. |
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Oculus Lights wrote:
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:31:39 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 9:08 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. So there is no more point in me trying anymore. I've done this for five years and have gotten exactly nowhere even though I've totally restored both her Colnago Master Piu and her Mercian. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. When I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built a tandem and rode it around in the parking area. Then they got bored and turned it into a triple and rode it around in the parking area... They finally got up to a fiver", they called it, and found that it was impossible to ride as, I gathered, it was impossible to coordinate the action of all five riders. https://www.cyclemuseum.org.uk/Tandems.aspx "Five seat tandems were used as pacer machines in cycle races for a short period in the 1890s until the introduction of motor powered pacers at the beginning of the twentieth century." Also https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/lon.../longbike1.jpg etc. etc. We've ridden alongside people on "quads." -- - Frank Krygowski With product and business naming, Barry Beams was a fun name for a hobby. But kinda hokey sounding to put on a sign or a label on the box. Then when investors come in and the venture becomes a serious effort in sales and marketing, branding the business along with the products as Oculus Lights became a prudent change in to attract customers looking for serious headlights, and as a statement that the business has progressed from a eccentric idea into something that really is bringing disruptive innovation to the industry. Ironically, the greatest value of all may be the name, because it turns out I first used the name "Oculus" a few months before the Oculus that Facebook bought, and I own many variations of Oculus as fictitious business names. If they ever want me to stop using the name, they're welcome to make me an offer I can't refuse. Apropos of ??? |
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:31:36 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 4/10/2020 9:08 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. So there is no more point in me trying anymore. I've done this for five years and have gotten exactly nowhere even though I've totally restored both her Colnago Master Piu and her Mercian. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. When I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built a tandem and rode it around in the parking area. Then they got bored and turned it into a triple and rode it around in the parking area... They finally got up to a fiver", they called it, and found that it was impossible to ride as, I gathered, it was impossible to coordinate the action of all five riders. https://www.cyclemuseum.org.uk/Tandems.aspx "Five seat tandems were used as pacer machines in cycle races for a short period in the 1890s until the introduction of motor powered pacers at the beginning of the twentieth century." Interesting but I think they may have been a bit more skilled than my welders frolicking about between jobs :-) Also https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/lon.../longbike1.jpg etc. etc. We've ridden alongside people on "quads." -- cheers, John B. |
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On 4/11/2020 7:41 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Oculus Lights wrote: On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 10:31:39 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 9:08 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:30:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 4/10/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote: My wife used to be very physically active, broke her ankle, did not do the physical therapy she was supposed to do and now her ankle hurts if she rides a bike or even walks any distance so she avoids it even though she knows better. Because she used to be so active, she cannot do mild exercise but always will overdo it and then be so sore that she avoids it and that turns into never exercising again. I tried leading her around on a ride and going at very moderate speeds and she loses her patience and takes off. So there is no more point in me trying anymore. I've done this for five years and have gotten exactly nowhere even though I've totally restored both her Colnago Master Piu and her Mercian. Let me interrupt with some bicycling advice: Buy a tandem. It works. When I was in Vietnam the guys in the welding shop built a tandem and rode it around in the parking area. Then they got bored and turned it into a triple and rode it around in the parking area... They finally got up to a fiver", they called it, and found that it was impossible to ride as, I gathered, it was impossible to coordinate the action of all five riders. https://www.cyclemuseum.org.uk/Tandems.aspx "Five seat tandems were used as pacer machines in cycle races for a short period in the 1890s until the introduction of motor powered pacers at the beginning of the twentieth century." Also https://www.rodbikes.com/catalog/lon.../longbike1.jpg etc. etc. We've ridden alongside people on "quads." -- - Frank Krygowski With product and business naming, Barry Beams was a fun name for a hobby. But kinda hokey sounding to put on a sign or a label on the box. Then when investors come in and the venture becomes a serious effort in sales and marketing, branding the business along with the products as Oculus Lights became a prudent change in to attract customers looking for serious headlights, and as a statement that the business has progressed from a eccentric idea into something that really is bringing disruptive innovation to the industry. Ironically, the greatest value of all may be the name, because it turns out I first used the name "Oculus" a few months before the Oculus that Facebook bought, and I own many variations of Oculus as fictitious business names. If they ever want me to stop using the name, they're welcome to make me an offer I can't refuse. Apropos of ??? I think Barry is harking back to the discussion of the Trump brand name. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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