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Cyclist arrested for taking the lane
I have to admit I have often felt like doing what this cyclist did. That is
one reason I now only ride off-road. When was the last time you heard of a motorist being chaged with attempted homicide for running down a cyclist with a 2-ton pick-up? http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGACVA1QGQD.html |
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Cyclist arrested for taking the lane
I ANAL I am not a lawyer.
I am an armed bicyclist and have CCW for more than four years (just renewed my permit). Line by line.... "...charged with attempted homicide, aggravated assault and weapons offenses." He certainly did these things. Note that the assault was the 'wave' and the weapons offenses are likely the manner that he carried. There is no indication that they are status violations, i.e., that he is a felon disbarred of his 2A Rights. "...when he drove past him in his pickup truck Saturday, he made an obscene gesture." Possibly true but improvable without witnesses. If you 'wave' while armed or unarmed then make it a full five fingered wave. Let 'em read between the lines if they're literate. If they are not literate then they are dumb enough to 'turn around'. The first element of common law self-defense is 'be innocent of instigation'. "...turned around and drove toward,..." this is an assault. A reasonable man felt threatened and in imminent danger of great bodily harm from an instrumentality with means and motive. "...pulled out a pistol and threatened to shoot,..." Mistake. Keep the pistol concealed until you MUST shoot and then shoot without hesitation. To do otherwise leads to this current situation or at least charges of 'brandishing'. "reached into the truck and shot [him] once in the arm" The key statement of the article. If the driver stopped then he was not innocent and did not attempt to retreat or even to secure himself by locking and rolling up the windows. The driver did not feel threatened and had little 'respect' for the cyclist. The case will hang on the factual basis for this statement by the reporter. "...rode away on his bike." Fleeing or retreating from further combat? "...rammed Urick off his bike and they fought briefly until Urick fled again." The driver should face charges. "...told him to get off the road." I regard this as an assault in my personal life and immediately evaluate my self-defense status. An automobile is a deadly weapon. The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense. "Critic" wrote in message ... | I have to admit I have often felt like doing what this cyclist did. That is | one reason I now only ride off-road. When was the last time you heard of a | motorist being chaged with attempted homicide for running down a cyclist | with a 2-ton pick-up? | | | http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGACVA1QGQD.html | | | |
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Doug Huffman wrote:
I ANAL I am not a lawyer. I am an armed bicyclist and have CCW for more than four years (just renewed my permit). I've got a CCW too, but quick question... how do you carry while riding? The easiest way to me seems like it would be small of the back, but then it seems it would be harder to conceal since you lean over the bike. Before I start any serious road riding, I'd definitely like to figure this out, since I'll be riding back roads in KY. |
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Cyclist arrested for taking the lane
Tommy Cheatham wrote:
Doug Huffman wrote: I ANAL I am not a lawyer. I am an armed bicyclist and have CCW for more than four years (just renewed my permit). I've got a CCW too, but quick question... how do you carry while riding? The easiest way to me seems like it would be small of the back, but then it seems it would be harder to conceal since you lean over the bike. Before I start any serious road riding, I'd definitely like to figure this out, since I'll be riding back roads in KY. I would think a frame bag would do, something maybe that looks like this: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?s...ype=&estoreid= http://tinyurl.com/3das6 -- Dane Jackson - z u v e m b i @ u n i x b i g o t s . o r g A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away. -- Barry Goldwater |
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Tommy Cheatham wrote:
I've got a CCW too, but quick question... how do you carry while riding? The easiest way to me seems like it would be small of the back, but then it seems it would be harder to conceal since you lean over the bike. Dane Jackson wrote: I would think a frame bag would do, something maybe that looks like this: http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?s...ype=&estoreid= Yeah, it probably would, but I'd rather actually keep it ON me. If I'm going to assume that something bad might hppen, I'm also going to assume that something bad might happen and separate me from the bike. |
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Cyclist arrested for taking the lane
"Critic" wrote in message ...
I have to admit I have often felt like doing what this cyclist did. That is one reason I now only ride off-road. When was the last time you heard of a motorist being chaged with attempted homicide for running down a cyclist with a 2-ton pick-up? http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGACVA1QGQD.html Gimme a hint. How did you come up with that subject line based on the newspaper article? The guy was arrested for shooting the driver. Dick Durbin |
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Cyclist arrested for taking the lane
"Dick Durbin" wrote in message om... "Critic" wrote in message ... I have to admit I have often felt like doing what this cyclist did. That is one reason I now only ride off-road. When was the last time you heard of a motorist being chaged with attempted homicide for running down a cyclist with a 2-ton pick-up? http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGACVA1QGQD.html Gimme a hint. How did you come up with that subject line based on the newspaper article? The guy was arrested for shooting the driver. Dick Durbin Here's how. The driver of the vehicle crowded the cyclist, and when the cyclist responded with a gesture of disapproval, the driver, instead of just driving off turned around and threatened the cyclist who was forced to defend himself. The driver then, once again, tried to run the cyclist down with his vehicle. The whole problem, from the hillbilly's point of view, is that this cyclist was on HIS road taking up HIS LANE! DO YOU RIDE? Do you have any idea how many dumb**** hillbillies in pickup trucks have no regard for the rules of the road and intentionally try to harm cyclists? (I do because it has happened to me.) |
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Cyclist arrested for taking the lane
"Critic" wrote in message ...
Gimme a hint. How did you come up with that subject line based on the newspaper article? The guy was arrested for shooting the driver. Here's how. The driver of the vehicle crowded the cyclist, and when the cyclist responded with a gesture of disapproval, the driver, instead of just driving off turned around and threatened the cyclist who was forced to defend himself. The driver then, once again, tried to run the cyclist down with his vehicle. The whole problem, from the hillbilly's point of view, is that this cyclist was on HIS road taking up HIS LANE! DO YOU RIDE? Do you have any idea how many dumb**** hillbillies in pickup trucks have no regard for the rules of the road and intentionally try to harm cyclists? (I do because it has happened to me.) You ignored my question. The cyclist was arrested for shooting the truck driver, not for taking the lane. Whether he was justified in shooting the driver will be up to the courts to decide. Yes, I ride. I have a lot less trouble with guys in pickumup trucks than I do with self-important Stepford wives in SUVs or gangsta wannabees in Honda Civics. Dick Durbin |
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Cyclist arrested for taking the lane
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGACVA1QGQD.html
=v= I ain't taking sides one way or another, but I will point out that the article's lead-in isn't particularly fair: | ... a confrontation that began when the man pedaling the bike | made an obscene gesture, police said. It's unfair because the bicyclist's version of events is that the confrontation began before that: when the motorist told him to get off the road. =v= Also unclear is whose deadly weapon was wielded first: Nicoletti said he turned around and drove toward Urick ... =v= Also, another story differs in some details: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04040/270970.stm _Jym_ |
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