New Campa Record and Chorus 11 speed

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Ryan Cousineau wrote:

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Derk wrote:

I just read on a Dutch bike forum, that Campa will go 11 speed. Th estory
came from a LBS owner. Can anyone confirm: full carbon rd, ceramic jockey
wheels, 11 speed.

He was Dutch, and therefore probably high when he said that.

Nigel Tufnel is Dutch?

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Michael Press

"Derk" wrote in message
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I just read on a Dutch bike forum, that Campa will go 11 speed. Th
estory
came from a LBS owner. Can anyone confirm: full carbon rd, ceramic
jockey
wheels, 11 speed.

Derk

Spinal Tap:

"These go to 11".... ;-)

Chas.

On May 17, 2:30*pm, Derk wrote:
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
He was Dutch, and therefore probably high when he said that.

I'm not even going to respond to that, although it would be very easy to
insult you too.

Hey, you forgot to change the battery in your jealousy detector this
Spring, Dutch dude!

Here, like this (fumbling) (fumbling) (quoting):

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote:

He was Dutch, and therefore probably higBeep beep BEEP BEEP
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Working here!

Have a nice day! --D-y

wrote:

Hey, you forgot to change the battery in your jealousy detector this
Spring, Dutch dude!
:-)

Derk

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Michael Press wrote:

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],
Ryan Cousineau wrote:

In article ,
Derk wrote:

I just read on a Dutch bike forum, that Campa will go 11 speed. Th estory
came from a LBS owner. Can anyone confirm: full carbon rd, ceramic jockey
wheels, 11 speed.

He was Dutch, and therefore probably high when he said that.

Nigel Tufnel is Dutch?

Well, they're all citizens of the EU now. I can hardly be expected to
tell the difference between wherever Tufnel is from and Dutchland.

At least I remember the name of the Dutch national anthem: "Dutchland
uber Alles."

That's right, innit?

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Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

On May 17, 4:01*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

*"uncreative" because the gradual progression from 5 to 10 speeds has
been so regular that it's an easy prediction to suggest that, at some
point some maker will no longer be able to resist the temptation to go
to eleven. As long as we're talking about practicalities, 9-to-10 was
already clearly in the Land of Diminishing Returns, and 10-to-11 has a
real chance of being a indisputable trip to the Land of Marketing Crap
That Makes The Bike Worse. To the extent more gears are needed, there's
probably a better case for production quad chainrings. And that's a
pretty weak case.

As this thread reveals, the true problem with 11 speeds
is that its introduction to market will never survive the
onslaught of Spinal Tap jokes. These days, a product
that gets a bad rep on intro can no longer survive long
enough to establish itself. For this reason, both S and C
are likely to hold off until technological improvements
allow 12 speed cassettes, and make the jump straight
from 10 to 12.

Ben

Also, 12 speeds will be rendered possible by the
reintroduction of 10mm pitch drivetrains. You heard
it here first.

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On May 17, 4:01 pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
For this reason, both S and C
are likely to hold off until technological improvements
allow 12 speed cassettes, and make the jump straight
from 10 to 12.

One problem of this is that a large number of people are fighting the 10
speed conversion. They're still using 9-speeds.

One does realize soon that 10 speeds cover the entire speed regime so that
you never have to change cassettes as you did with 7-speeds most of the
time, 8-speeds occasionally and 9-speed almost never.

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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

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On May 17, 4:01 pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
For this reason, both S and C
are likely to hold off until technological improvements
allow 12 speed cassettes, and make the jump straight
from 10 to 12.

One problem of this is that a large number of people are fighting the 10
speed conversion. They're still using 9-speeds.

One does realize soon that 10 speeds cover the entire speed regime so that
you never have to change cassettes as you did with 7-speeds most of the
time, 8-speeds occasionally and 9-speed almost never.

Quite so. I've more or less standardized on 9-speed because the
equipment is cheap and cheerful, and in no substantial way inferior to
10-speed.

The other configuration that has reduced the need for cog changes is
compact gearing at the front end. A 50/34x12-25 can do pretty much
everything. A racer might use an 11-23 instead, an clear-eyed
cyclotourist might use 12-27 (or the Sheldon-designed 13-34). In any
case, you wouldn't change those gears.

--
Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
At least I remember the name of the Dutch national anthem: "Dutchland
uber Alles."
You're starting to get in trouble, because the "Ueber alles" part is
forbidden here, just like Holocaust denial.

That's right, innit?
Nobody will laugh here about your sick jokes. May I memind you that during
Nazi occupation we lost an incredible number of people who were dragged to
the death camps like Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen. Maybe understand why we
don't think "jokes" like this are funny.

Derk

On May 17, 7:58 am, Derk wrote:
I just read on a Dutch bike forum, that Campa will go11speed. Th estory
came from a LBS owner. Can anyone confirm: full carbon rd, ceramic jockey
wheels,11speed.

Derk

Could be you delivered the scoop on this.

From the rumors page of theCampyOnly web site-

http://www.campyonly.com/rumors.html

May 25, 2008--First rumors about 2009:
--"Super Record" will return as an 11-speed gruppo. A narrower chain
will let the system work with existing wheels. In addition to
shifting on an 11-speed cassette, the Ergo levers will look different
from current models. Look for limited availability in September, with
more stock coming in October.
--Some wheels will be updated with ceramic bearings and tubular rims
--Some new gruppos may be added (the first in several years)
--Electronic shifting continues to be refined, but don't look for it
in your bike shop next year.

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Spike