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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Aug 3, 4:57�pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 12:24 pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 10:28 am, jim beam wrote: you're a ****ing idiot krygowski - not even bar-cons allow shifting from the hoods, you know, where you have your hands when you're standing on a climb. Funny, I didn't need to do that yesterday. �While I have used my bar- cons to shift while standing... you stand holding the bottom of the bars??? �and retain sufficient grip to pull against each pedal stroke??? �you're bull****ting krygowski. Sorry, "jim," but again, I have used my barcons to shift while standing. not with your hands on the hoods you didn't. If you can't, there must be something different about your riding style. Or your level of skill. no krygowski, i like to shift and keep my hands on the hoods - in exactly the same position as when i ride. as do the vast majority of other users. I hardly ever need to do that. �What's "awesome" for one rider is negligible for another, I guess. I've got index on some bikes, but still ride friction on others. �I agree with John Schubert: �I'm underwhelmed by indexing's advantages. it's because you're a fred sitting on your fredly ass the whole damned time, that's why. �if you're standing, you /can't/ take your hands off to shift. �****ing idiot. No, all we can really deduce is that if _you're_ standing, _you_ can't take your hands off to shift. That's obvious by your statements. But as I recall, I don't really take my hands off. eh - as you recall???????? you don't appear to be very certain about a process with which you claim to be familiar!!!! clearly it can't be a process you do very often!!! you're a ****ing bull****ting idiot krygowski. I slide them down to the shifters. YMMV. i'd love to see you do it without!!!! ****ing idiot. And yes, I may be a fred. My bikes usually have fenders, I don't shave my legs, none of my wheels have less than 32 spokes, I tend to have bags on my bikes, and I don't own STI. And I do a lot of climbing while in the saddle. Try it. It's efficient. either you're trying to be condescending - and not being smart enough to pull it off - or you're just too idiotic to read back thread and see where i refer to hands on the hoods while climbing. but you're a ****ing idiot krygowski That bike's been coast to coast and on dozens of local and international tours, almost all with camping gear. Somehow, it's been ridden thousands upon thousands of miles with nothing broken except one spoke, and that occurred when a friend stepped on the side of the rear wheel. you're a ****ing idiot krygowski - vacuum degassed steels have been available for spokes since the late 70's. Hmm. �When you implied there was a lot wrong with the "old stuff," I didn't realize you were referring to the antiques that Carl shows pictures of! i'm not. �and you know it. �****ing bull****ting idiot. :-) You're hilarious when you spew! But anyway - it's obvious that a touring bike from the '80s can give decades of excellent service. it's obvious????? if ridden so often that you remain unfamiliar with how to shift, that bike will /undoubtedly/ last forever!!! you're a ****ing idiot krygowski. Regarding my tourer and the way I ride it, Zog was right: There's nothing wrong with the old stuff. No matter how much ex-metallurgists fawn over every new "must have" gimmick on the market. oh dear, trying to put false words in my mouth about what i buy. but i guess that's to be expected because you're a ****ing idiot krygowski. |
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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Aug 3, 4:57*pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 12:24 pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 10:28 am, jim beam wrote: you're a ****ing idiot krygowski - not even bar-cons allow shifting from the hoods, you know, where you have your hands when you're standing on a climb. Funny, I didn't need to do that yesterday. *While I have used my bar- cons to shift while standing... you stand holding the bottom of the bars??? *and retain sufficient grip to pull against each pedal stroke??? *you're bull****ting krygowski. Sorry, "jim," but again, I have used my barcons to shift while standing. If you can't, there must be something different about your riding style. Or your level of skill. I hardly ever need to do that. *What's "awesome" for one rider is negligible for another, I guess. I've got index on some bikes, but still ride friction on others. *I agree with John Schubert: *I'm underwhelmed by indexing's advantages. it's because you're a fred sitting on your fredly ass the whole damned time, that's why. *if you're standing, you /can't/ take your hands off to shift. *****ing idiot. No, all we can really deduce is that if _you're_ standing, _you_ can't take your hands off to shift. That's obvious by your statements. But as I recall, I don't really take my hands off. I slide them down to the shifters. YMMV. And yes, I may be a fred. My bikes usually have fenders, I don't shave my legs, none of my wheels have less than 32 spokes, I tend to have bags on my bikes, and I don't own STI. And I do a lot of climbing while in the saddle. Try it. It's efficient. That bike's been coast to coast and on dozens of local and international tours, almost all with camping gear. Somehow, it's been ridden thousands upon thousands of miles with nothing broken except one spoke, and that occurred when a friend stepped on the side of the rear wheel. you're a ****ing idiot krygowski - vacuum degassed steels have been available for spokes since the late 70's. Hmm. *When you implied there was a lot wrong with the "old stuff," I didn't realize you were referring to the antiques that Carl shows pictures of! i'm not. *and you know it. *****ing bull****ting idiot. :-) You're hilarious when you spew! But anyway - it's obvious that a touring bike from the '80s can give decades of excellent service. Regarding my tourer and the way I ride it, Zog was right: There's nothing wrong with the old stuff. No matter how much ex-metallurgists fawn over every new "must have" gimmick on the market. - Frank Krygowski Dear Frank, Antiques? Please, rideable originals! Highwheeler freaks _really_ like to ride their penny-farthings. (One of my great regrets is that a silly disease won't let me take advantage of the inevitable kind offers to just hop up and take irreplaceable antiques for a quick spin--imagine having to say sorry, but I can't even drive that Ferrari around the block because I can't tell if I'm pushing on the gas, the brake, or the clutch.) Anyway, to address the burning question of newfangled devices, others on RBT have mentioned shifting barcons while standing, just like you: "Also, the old trope [2] about not being able to shift while standing with bar-cons is not true. Oh, it's not as easy as I'd like, but it's certainly doable. I spent about 15 miles doing it last summer when I broke my seatpost bolt." http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...4a334aa94d27a2 Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 12:24 pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 10:28 am, jim beam wrote: you're a ****ing idiot krygowski - not even bar-cons allow shifting from the hoods, you know, where you have your hands when you're standing on a climb. Funny, I didn't need to do that yesterday. While I have used my bar- cons to shift while standing... you stand holding the bottom of the bars??? and retain sufficient grip to pull against each pedal stroke??? you're bull****ting krygowski. Sorry, "jim," but again, I have used my barcons to shift while standing. If you can't, there must be something different about your riding style. Or your level of skill. I hardly ever need to do that. What's "awesome" for one rider is negligible for another, I guess. I've got index on some bikes, but still ride friction on others. I agree with John Schubert: I'm underwhelmed by indexing's advantages. it's because you're a fred sitting on your fredly ass the whole damned time, that's why. if you're standing, you /can't/ take your hands off to shift. ****ing idiot. No, all we can really deduce is that if _you're_ standing, _you_ can't take your hands off to shift. That's obvious by your statements. But as I recall, I don't really take my hands off. I slide them down to the shifters. YMMV. And yes, I may be a fred. My bikes usually have fenders, I don't shave my legs, none of my wheels have less than 32 spokes, I tend to have bags on my bikes, and I don't own STI. And I do a lot of climbing while in the saddle. Try it. It's efficient.... Did not Jan "Fred" Ullrich do a lot of climbing while seated? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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Tom Sherman wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 12:24 pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 10:28 am, jim beam wrote: you're a ****ing idiot krygowski - not even bar-cons allow shifting from the hoods, you know, where you have your hands when you're standing on a climb. Funny, I didn't need to do that yesterday. While I have used my bar- cons to shift while standing... you stand holding the bottom of the bars??? and retain sufficient grip to pull against each pedal stroke??? you're bull****ting krygowski. Sorry, "jim," but again, I have used my barcons to shift while standing. If you can't, there must be something different about your riding style. Or your level of skill. I hardly ever need to do that. What's "awesome" for one rider is negligible for another, I guess. I've got index on some bikes, but still ride friction on others. I agree with John Schubert: I'm underwhelmed by indexing's advantages. it's because you're a fred sitting on your fredly ass the whole damned time, that's why. if you're standing, you /can't/ take your hands off to shift. ****ing idiot. No, all we can really deduce is that if _you're_ standing, _you_ can't take your hands off to shift. That's obvious by your statements. But as I recall, I don't really take my hands off. I slide them down to the shifters. YMMV. And yes, I may be a fred. My bikes usually have fenders, I don't shave my legs, none of my wheels have less than 32 spokes, I tend to have bags on my bikes, and I don't own STI. And I do a lot of climbing while in the saddle. Try it. It's efficient.... Did not Jan "Fred" Ullrich do a lot of climbing while seated? some freds are so fredly, they have to lie down on the job - sitting's too much for them. |
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-snip much-
Ryan Cousineau wrote: At least the current tubular rims can all be retrofit to normal clinchers. I don't think that is true. Perhaps you were thinking of Tufo's 'tubular cincher' tire for clincher rims?? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:36:14 -0500, A Muzi
wrote: -snip much- Ryan Cousineau wrote: At least the current tubular rims can all be retrofit to normal clinchers. I don't think that is true. Perhaps you were thinking of Tufo's 'tubular cincher' tire for clincher rims?? Dear Andrew, My guess was that Ryan had tubeless in mind, instead of tubular. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Aug 3, 10:28 am, jim beam wrote:
you're a ****ing idiot krygowski - not even bar-cons allow shifting from the hoods, you know, where you have your hands when you're standing on a climb. Frank Krygowski wrote: Funny, I didn't need to do that yesterday. While I have used my bar- cons to shift while standing... On Aug 3, 12:24 pm, jim beam wrote: you stand holding the bottom of the bars??? and retain sufficient grip to pull against each pedal stroke??? you're bull****ting krygowski. Frank Krygowski wrote: Sorry, "jim," but again, I have used my barcons to shift while standing. If you can't, there must be something different about your riding style. Or your level of skill. Frank Krygowski wrote: I hardly ever need to do that. What's "awesome" for one rider is negligible for another, I guess. I've got index on some bikes, but still ride friction on others. I agree with John Schubert: I'm underwhelmed by indexing's advantages. On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, jim beam wrote: it's because you're a fred sitting on your fredly ass the whole damned time, that's why. if you're standing, you /can't/ take your hands off to shift. ****ing idiot. Frank Krygowski wrote: No, all we can really deduce is that if _you're_ standing, _you_ can't take your hands off to shift. That's obvious by your statements. But as I recall, I don't really take my hands off. I slide them down to the shifters. YMMV. And yes, I may be a fred. My bikes usually have fenders, I don't shave my legs, none of my wheels have less than 32 spokes, I tend to have bags on my bikes, and I don't own STI. And I do a lot of climbing while in the saddle. Try it. It's efficient. Also, we can finally be certain that Whiskey Dick doesn't actually ride a bike. It is possible that he remembers the Huffy BMX bike he had as child, though. -- Paul M. Hobson ..:change the f to ph to reply:. |
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On Aug 3, 11:18*pm, jim beam wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: Sorry, "jim," but again, I have used my barcons to shift while standing. * not with your hands on the hoods you didn't. Correct. And if you re-read, you'll see I never claimed I did. That was just a "beamish" attempt at a straw man. If you can't, there must be something different about your riding style. *Or your level of skill. no krygowski, i like to shift and keep my hands on the hoods - in exactly the same position as when i ride. *as do the vast majority of other users. As I said, what's "awesome" for one person is negligible for another. I like to ride with my hands on the hoods, and I often climb with my hands on the hoods. But I'm coordinated enough to move my hand 8" or so to shift, if necessary. YMMV. I must say, you'd have had a hard time riding a racing bike before STI was invented! Can you imagine, having to move your hands all the way to the downtube? "Hey guys, we'd better stop and wait. 'jim beam' fell off his bike again!" I hardly ever need to do that. ... No, all we can really deduce is that if _you're_ standing, _you_ can't take your hands off to shift. *That's obvious by your statements. But as I recall, I don't really take my hands off. eh - as you recall???????? *you don't appear to be very certain about a process with which you claim to be familiar!!!! *clearly it can't be a process you do very often!!! *you're a ****ing bull****ting idiot krygowski. :-) As I said, "jim," I hardly ever need to do that. I've noticed that your spittle and spewing tends to make you lose track of the conversation. But it's been fun talking to you, as usual! You're always good for a smile! ;-) - Frank Krygowski |
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On Aug 3, 11:47*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Aug 3, 4:57*pm, jim beam wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: Hmm. *When you implied there was a lot wrong with the "old stuff," I didn't realize you were referring to the antiques that Carl shows pictures of! Dear Frank, Antiques? Please, rideable originals! Highwheeler freaks _really_ like to ride their penny-farthings. (One of my great regrets is that a silly disease won't let me take advantage of the inevitable kind offers to just hop up and take irreplaceable antiques for a quick spin--imagine having to say sorry, but I can't even drive that Ferrari around the block because I can't tell if I'm pushing on the gas, the brake, or the clutch.) I sympathize! I've tried highwheelers several times. While they look daunting from ground level, the riding sensation is grand! They're incredibly easy to balance at slow speeds, and the view is superb. OTOH, it's damned hard to go fast on one. I have a friend who's done several centuries on his, and I can't imagine the stamina it takes to do that. The only part that made me a bit nervous was trying to find the rear footpeg to dismount. But that's because I never tried a fast downhill or a panic stop! - Frank Krygowski |
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