shopping

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 9:00:31 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2020 6:51 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 10 April 2020 06:38:30 UTC-4, John B. wrote:

But what is the alternative? If the virus can remain alive in "things
like plastic" even a pair of pliers wouldn't be effective.
I suspect that the answer is that one does the best one can.
--
cheers,

John B.

Which is why I wear a respirator and gloves when shopping and was my canned goods and card boxes well when I get home.

FWIW, last night a local newscaster said "... and be sure to follow the
advice to wipe down your groceries when you get them home."

I thought "Wait - really??" and hit the internet. The first four sites I
hit said it wasn't necessary to do that. I stopped looking at that point.

But I guess that opinion's not unanimous. And YMMV, of course.


--
- Frank Krygowski

How are you proposing to wipe down your cabbage that was handled by 20 other people?

One interesting thing I saw was "Be sure to stay at least 6 feet away from people you're going to be around for at least 5 minutes" That is rather different than "keep social distancing" which is causing extreme loneliness in older people or those unable to live without direct social contact. The suicide rate so far is up 30%. So just to this point an unnecessary 60 people have died from suicides that is likely to climb sharply as people see no jobs, no way of paying their bills and the horrors of homelessness.

Besides this, drug use and alcoholism has broken out all over. My wife, Church Lady, is allied with Alanon and these people require direct physical presence and the internet does not work. So large percentages of them are backsliding and she and the rest of the assisting Church Ladies are growing quite alarmed.

Just remember that the left went from "there ain't no such thing" to "it's Trump's virus and he did all the wrong things." when they realized that they could crash the economy and hopefully lessen Trump's chances in the fall. They are ready, willing and able to ruin this country for political reasons and you living out in the middle of Wonderland better start realizing that.

On 4/10/2020 11:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2020 6:51 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 10 April 2020 06:38:30 UTC-4, John B. wrote:

But what is the alternative? If the virus can remain
alive in "things
like plastic" even a pair of pliers wouldn't be effective.
I suspect that the answer is that one does the best one can.
--
cheers,

John B.

Which is why I wear a respirator and gloves when shopping
and was my canned goods and card boxes well when I get home.

FWIW, last night a local newscaster said "... and be sure to
follow the advice to wipe down your groceries when you get
them home."

I thought "Wait - really??" and hit the internet. The first
four sites I hit said it wasn't necessary to do that. I
stopped looking at that point.

But I guess that opinion's not unanimous. And YMMV, of course.



Dear Subject-
You WILL obey orders.
-Gruppenfuhrer Fauci

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:53:21 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 4/10/2020 11:00 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/10/2020 6:51 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 10 April 2020 06:38:30 UTC-4, John B. wrote:

But what is the alternative? If the virus can remain
alive in "things
like plastic" even a pair of pliers wouldn't be effective.
I suspect that the answer is that one does the best one can.
--
cheers,

John B.

Which is why I wear a respirator and gloves when shopping
and was my canned goods and card boxes well when I get home.

FWIW, last night a local newscaster said "... and be sure to
follow the advice to wipe down your groceries when you get
them home."

I thought "Wait - really??" and hit the internet. The first
four sites I hit said it wasn't necessary to do that. I
stopped looking at that point.

But I guess that opinion's not unanimous. And YMMV, of course.



Dear Subject-
You WILL obey orders.
-Gruppenfuhrer Fauci

For the edification of anyone that wants to know, see
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...te-coronavirus
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:09:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/10/2020 8:34 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Am 10.04.2020 um 12:29 schrieb Sir Ridesalot:


Ah yes, but is going bare handed a better solution?

Sounds counterintuitive, but reportedly yes. External contaminants will
mostly stick to a hand, but plastic gloves will mostly transmit them to the
next object handled.

BTW, when out riding, I've now seen a few discarded plastic or rubber
gloves at the side of the road. I think those who tosse them should be
permanently quarantined.

I have not heard of either a check-out or a shelf-service worker haven
fallen ill with the virus. If they do, they probably don't get as much
media publicity as a unionized bus driver or cop.

A week or two ago, the pharmacy we use, two blocks from our home, was
marked "Closed for Cleaning." Turns out two of the employees tested
positive for the virus. A few days later it opened with entirely
different (temporary) staff. The familiar ones were all self-quarantining.

All the stores I've been in lately (just 3 or 4) have huge transparent
shields between customers and cashiers. Also, "Six Feet" tape stripes on
the floor.

I'm not sure what this "cleaning" actually consists of but I have seen
a large number of recent news articles and announcing that XYZ is in
the process of being cleaned.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:00:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 4/10/2020 6:51 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, 10 April 2020 06:38:30 UTC-4, John B. wrote:

But what is the alternative? If the virus can remain alive in "things
like plastic" even a pair of pliers wouldn't be effective.
I suspect that the answer is that one does the best one can.
--
cheers,

John B.

Which is why I wear a respirator and gloves when shopping and was my canned goods and card boxes well when I get home.

FWIW, last night a local newscaster said "... and be sure to follow the
advice to wipe down your groceries when you get them home."

I thought "Wait - really??" and hit the internet. The first four sites I
hit said it wasn't necessary to do that. I stopped looking at that point.

But I guess that opinion's not unanimous. And YMMV, of course.

I would assume that for the virus to be on a can of beans it would
mean that someone with an active case of the virus must have coughed
on it, or something similar.

If one assumes that the virus reached the can from the normal
breathing of someone who had an active case of the virus than one
would have to accept that the floor must be literally covered by the
virus exhaled by those with an active case of the virus and, depending
on how much you scuffled your feet while wondering the pathways
between the empty toilet paper shelves that at least your shoes must
be totally covered with the virus and perhaps even higher. Your knees?
Your waist? Your hands which may hang down below your waist?

What to do? What to do?
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:34:52 +0200, Sepp Ruf
wrote:

Am 10.04.2020 um 12:29 schrieb Sir Ridesalot:
On Friday, 10 April 2020 05:23:53 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:14:43 +0200, Sepp Ruf wrote:
John B. wrote:

We just got back from shopping. Two large stores, each took our
temperature and furnish handwash before entrance and all the
check-out girls were wearing face masks and rubber gloves. Gives a
whole new meaning to the term "filthy lucre" :-)

Yes, filthy, because rubber gloves are germ spreaders outside and
breeding chambers inside. As was recently stated, 99% of users do
not know to use them properly, and 90% of instructed medical workers
don't use them properly either (hand disinfection before and after
wearing; change gloves after each source of contamination.)

Ah yes, but is going bare handed a better solution?

Sounds counterintuitive, but reportedly yes. External contaminants will
mostly stick to a hand, but plastic gloves will mostly transmit them to the
next object handled.

I think that you are missing the boat, as it were. The checkout girl
is not wearing gloves to protect the money from her hands. She is
wearing gloves to protect her hands from that filthy, germ laden,
money that you are handing her. :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:20:27 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:34:52 +0200, Sepp Ruf
wrote:

Am 10.04.2020 um 12:29 schrieb Sir Ridesalot:
On Friday, 10 April 2020 05:23:53 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:14:43 +0200, Sepp Ruf wrote:
John B. wrote:

We just got back from shopping. Two large stores, each took our
temperature and furnish handwash before entrance and all the
check-out girls were wearing face masks and rubber gloves. Gives a
whole new meaning to the term "filthy lucre" :-)

Yes, filthy, because rubber gloves are germ spreaders outside and
breeding chambers inside. As was recently stated, 99% of users do
not know to use them properly, and 90% of instructed medical workers
don't use them properly either (hand disinfection before and after
wearing; change gloves after each source of contamination.)

Ah yes, but is going bare handed a better solution?

Sounds counterintuitive, but reportedly yes. External contaminants will
mostly stick to a hand, but plastic gloves will mostly transmit them to the
next object handled.

I think that you are missing the boat, as it were. The checkout girl
is not wearing gloves to protect the money from her hands. She is
wearing gloves to protect her hands from that filthy, germ laden,
money that you are handing her. :-)

One store I went into had a sign: "Credit cards only, no cash." And
the card machine was on my side of the big transparent shield.

But I rarely pay by cash these days. After all, now all money is just
a bit of data in a computer somewhere.

- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Friday, April 10, 2020 at 8:20:27 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:34:52 +0200, Sepp Ruf
wrote:

Am 10.04.2020 um 12:29 schrieb Sir Ridesalot:
On Friday, 10 April 2020 05:23:53 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:14:43 +0200, Sepp Ruf wrote:
John B. wrote:

We just got back from shopping. Two large stores, each took our
temperature and furnish handwash before entrance and all the
check-out girls were wearing face masks and rubber gloves. Gives a
whole new meaning to the term "filthy lucre" :-)

Yes, filthy, because rubber gloves are germ spreaders outside and
breeding chambers inside. As was recently stated, 99% of users do
not know to use them properly, and 90% of instructed medical workers
don't use them properly either (hand disinfection before and after
wearing; change gloves after each source of contamination.)

Ah yes, but is going bare handed a better solution?

Sounds counterintuitive, but reportedly yes. External contaminants will
mostly stick to a hand, but plastic gloves will mostly transmit them to the
next object handled.

I think that you are missing the boat, as it were. The checkout girl
is not wearing gloves to protect the money from her hands. She is
wearing gloves to protect her hands from that filthy, germ laden,
money that you are handing her. :-)

One store I went into had a sign: "Credit cards only, no cash." And
the card machine was on my side of the big transparent shield.

But I rarely pay by cash these days. After all, now all money is just
a bit of data in a computer somewhere.

- Frank Krygowski

I deliberately take the other path and always pay cash. When you
simply wave a plastic card at a machine it doesn't seem to mean the
same as actually handling over those hard earned green dollar bills.
--
cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:28:30 -0700, Frank Krygowski wrote:


But I rarely pay by cash these days. After all, now all money is just a
bit of data in a computer somewhere.

I don't mind that, but it the people skiiming a bit off the top that I
object too.

On 4/10/2020 10:22 PM, news18 wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:28:30 -0700, Frank Krygowski wrote:


But I rarely pay by cash these days. After all, now all money is just a
bit of data in a computer somewhere.

I don't mind that, but it the people skiiming a bit off the top that I
object too.

OK, I admit, I used to pay cash at a local convenience store first opened.

Until this place opened, our village had no place that sold beer and
wine. I was happy to see it pop up just two blocks from my house. I'd
pedal over to get my wife's favorite beer, which they were kind enough
to order in.

One day they said the credit card fees were killing them. So I started
paying cash. But with one thing and another, I don't often shop there
any more.


--
- Frank Krygowski