B&M Toplight Line Plus vs. old 4D Toplight Senso Multi

On 28/04/2020 02:00, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2020 6:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:06:57 AM UTC+1, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 9:30 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 8:23 AM, N8N wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf
wrote:


If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate,
you could opt to get a new rack, some will accomodate
either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to
get one. I can envision it in my head, a strip of metal
with two studs at 50mm and two holes at 80mm, I just
don't have the ability to make it in my current situation
(I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage
locker in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new
digs without at least a reasonable selection of my tools. I
take a collection of common tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a
time. When headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray
into our car, just in case. And when trying to help out by
fixing things there, I've been frustrated that they lack my
collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners, etc. I've stashed
a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage and
said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for
future projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials
are in the house, but for some percentage of them, it’s
more a theoretical knowledge than a practical one. My stress
levels dropped a bit when I got the wood shop mostly
together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet
to be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires
on my van with my bike pump because I couldn’t find either
of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a
235/65R17 tire from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a
large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF
mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few
strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar
pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the floor for
a classic British roadster?

For my money the Topeak Joe Blow Pro is by far and away the best pump
I've used. The simple act of putting the dial gauge on the top of the
pump is worth 5 more squids. Easy to use relief valve, an amazing
airtight simple fit head, and you can pick it up by the handle, not to
be underestimated. My SKS got consigned to the bin, but it wasn't a bad
pump, just not as good.

https://www.topeak.com/us/en/product...8-joeblow--pro

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 1:01:12 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2020 6:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:06:57 AM UTC+1, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 9:30 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 8:23 AM, N8N wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:


If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate, you could opt to get
a new rack, some will accomodate either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to get one. I can
envision it in my head, a strip of metal with two studs at 50mm and two
holes at 80mm, I just don't have the ability to make it in my current
situation (I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage locker
in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new digs without at
least a reasonable selection of my tools. I take a collection of common
tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a time. When
headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray into our car, just in
case. And when trying to help out by fixing things there, I've been
frustrated that they lack my collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners,
etc. I've stashed a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage
and said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for future
projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials are in the
house, but for some percentage of them, it’s more a theoretical knowledge
than a practical one. My stress levels dropped a bit when I got the wood
shop mostly together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet to
be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires on my van with my
bike pump because I couldn’t find either of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a 235/65R17 tire
from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute
Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the
floor for a classic British roadster?



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

In the case of small British sports cars, and some large ones too, the "head unit" usually refers to the owner, often rendered as the "head case".

The SKS Rennkompressor offers a choice of socketry at the end of the tube where the compressed air enters the tube. See https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rennkompressor/ where they are all pictured. I use the modern double head on my bikes, but we have some of the other heads as well as we have two of these exemplary pumps. It's a very civilised pump, unlike too many others which, in the service of a marketing race for the lowest weight, are too short to be used in comfort and, worse, because the tube is short, don't put out as much air per stroke as the all, narrow Rennkompressor. There's a reason it has survived 70 years or so: it's a bloody good pump.

Andre Jute
Sometime head case. You must admit that the MG TC was very beautiful.

On 4/28/2020 8:46 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 1:01:12 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2020 6:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:06:57 AM UTC+1, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 9:30 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 8:23 AM, N8N wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:


If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate, you could opt to get
a new rack, some will accomodate either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to get one. I can
envision it in my head, a strip of metal with two studs at 50mm and two
holes at 80mm, I just don't have the ability to make it in my current
situation (I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage locker
in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new digs without at
least a reasonable selection of my tools. I take a collection of common
tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a time. When
headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray into our car, just in
case. And when trying to help out by fixing things there, I've been
frustrated that they lack my collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners,
etc. I've stashed a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage
and said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for future
projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials are in the
house, but for some percentage of them, it’s more a theoretical knowledge
than a practical one. My stress levels dropped a bit when I got the wood
shop mostly together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet to
be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires on my van with my
bike pump because I couldn’t find either of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a 235/65R17 tire
from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute
Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the
floor for a classic British roadster?


In the case of small British sports cars, and some large ones too, the "head unit" usually refers to the owner, often rendered as the "head case".

The SKS Rennkompressor offers a choice of socketry at the end of the tube where the compressed air enters the tube. See https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rennkompressor/ where they are all pictured. I use the modern double head on my bikes, but we have some of the other heads as well as we have two of these exemplary pumps. It's a very civilised pump, unlike too many others which, in the service of a marketing race for the lowest weight, are too short to be used in comfort and, worse, because the tube is short, don't put out as much air per stroke as the all, narrow Rennkompressor. There's a reason it has survived 70 years or so: it's a bloody good pump.

Andre Jute
Sometime head case. You must admit that the MG TC was very beautiful.

No argument, SKS are fine so far as it goes but what does
'specifically for your car' mean?

Which cars are different from other cars as regards valves?
Did you mean 'bicycle' instead of 'car'?



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 6:06:36 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2020 8:46 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 1:01:12 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2020 6:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:06:57 AM UTC+1, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 9:30 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 8:23 AM, N8N wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:


If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate, you could opt to get
a new rack, some will accomodate either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to get one.. I can
envision it in my head, a strip of metal with two studs at 50mm and two
holes at 80mm, I just don't have the ability to make it in my current
situation (I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage locker
in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new digs without at
least a reasonable selection of my tools. I take a collection of common
tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a time. When
headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray into our car, just in
case. And when trying to help out by fixing things there, I've been
frustrated that they lack my collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners,
etc. I've stashed a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage
and said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for future
projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials are in the
house, but for some percentage of them, it’s more a theoretical knowledge
than a practical one. My stress levels dropped a bit when I got the wood
shop mostly together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet to
be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires on my van with my
bike pump because I couldn’t find either of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a 235/65R17 tire
from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute
Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the
floor for a classic British roadster?


In the case of small British sports cars, and some large ones too, the "head unit" usually refers to the owner, often rendered as the "head case".

The SKS Rennkompressor offers a choice of socketry at the end of the tube where the compressed air enters the tube. See https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rennkompressor/ where they are all pictured. I use the modern double head on my bikes, but we have some of the other heads as well as we have two of these exemplary pumps. It's a very civilised pump, unlike too many others which, in the service of a marketing race for the lowest weight, are too short to be used in comfort and, worse, because the tube is short, don't put out as much air per stroke as the all, narrow Rennkompressor. There's a reason it has survived 70 years or so: it's a bloody good pump.

Andre Jute
Sometime head case. You must admit that the MG TC was very beautiful.

No argument, SKS are fine so far as it goes but what does
'specifically for your car' mean?

Which cars are different from other cars as regards valves?
Did you mean 'bicycle' instead of 'car'?



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

SKS offers AV, DV and SV (I think without looking it up again) heads, and duplicates of some formats that merely screw on rather than being clamped with an over-centre lever. (Lou once mentioned that he had a very old style of head.) Most, perhaps all the screw-on jobs, are for automobile valves. The other two are for Dunlop valves (an old-fashioned valve now but the last time I looked it up in 2002 still in use on the Continent) and presta valves. The most modern head, the one I use all the time, has two ports, one for presto as on road bikes, one for the automobile valves common on tubes for use on 26in wheels, and clamps on the valve stem with an over-centre lever..

By the way, Tosspot raised a good point, the way the Joe Blow pump's meter sits at the top of the tube. That's the one failing of the Rennkompressor, that the pressure gauge is a long way from your eyes, and the gradations of interest from six feet away are veeeery small for those who ride on low pressure balloons, though attractively extensive for those who pump up high pressure tyres.

Andre Jute
"Whaddaya mean, calling me a jock who inflates his head with a foot pump?"

On 4/28/2020 5:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 6:06:36 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2020 8:46 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 1:01:12 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2020 6:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:06:57 AM UTC+1, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 9:30 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 8:23 AM, N8N wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:


If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate, you could opt to get
a new rack, some will accomodate either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to get one. I can
envision it in my head, a strip of metal with two studs at 50mm and two
holes at 80mm, I just don't have the ability to make it in my current
situation (I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage locker
in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new digs without at
least a reasonable selection of my tools. I take a collection of common
tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a time. When
headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray into our car, just in
case. And when trying to help out by fixing things there, I've been
frustrated that they lack my collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners,
etc. I've stashed a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage
and said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for future
projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials are in the
house, but for some percentage of them, it’s more a theoretical knowledge
than a practical one. My stress levels dropped a bit when I got the wood
shop mostly together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet to
be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires on my van with my
bike pump because I couldn’t find either of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a 235/65R17 tire
from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute
Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the
floor for a classic British roadster?


In the case of small British sports cars, and some large ones too, the "head unit" usually refers to the owner, often rendered as the "head case".

The SKS Rennkompressor offers a choice of socketry at the end of the tube where the compressed air enters the tube. See https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rennkompressor/ where they are all pictured. I use the modern double head on my bikes, but we have some of the other heads as well as we have two of these exemplary pumps. It's a very civilised pump, unlike too many others which, in the service of a marketing race for the lowest weight, are too short to be used in comfort and, worse, because the tube is short, don't put out as much air per stroke as the all, narrow Rennkompressor. There's a reason it has survived 70 years or so: it's a bloody good pump.

Andre Jute
Sometime head case. You must admit that the MG TC was very beautiful.

No argument, SKS are fine so far as it goes but what does
'specifically for your car' mean?

Which cars are different from other cars as regards valves?
Did you mean 'bicycle' instead of 'car'?


SKS offers AV, DV and SV (I think without looking it up again) heads, and duplicates of some formats that merely screw on rather than being clamped with an over-centre lever. (Lou once mentioned that he had a very old style of head.) Most, perhaps all the screw-on jobs, are for automobile valves. The other two are for Dunlop valves (an old-fashioned valve now but the last time I looked it up in 2002 still in use on the Continent) and presta valves. The most modern head, the one I use all the time, has two ports, one for presto as on road bikes, one for the automobile valves common on tubes for use on 26in wheels, and clamps on the valve stem with an over-centre lever.

By the way, Tosspot raised a good point, the way the Joe Blow pump's meter sits at the top of the tube. That's the one failing of the Rennkompressor, that the pressure gauge is a long way from your eyes, and the gradations of interest from six feet away are veeeery small for those who ride on low pressure balloons, though attractively extensive for those who pump up high pressure tyres.

Andre Jute
"Whaddaya mean, calling me a jock who inflates his head with a foot pump?"


I glean from all that, "SV option for your car, any car.

Not just for your car specifically nor even specifically
cars as a class but rather any SV application because an SV
head also fits bicycles or any other device with SV."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:24:45 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2020 5:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 6:06:36 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2020 8:46 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 1:01:12 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2020 6:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:06:57 AM UTC+1, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 9:30 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 8:23 AM, N8N wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:


If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate, you could opt to get
a new rack, some will accomodate either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to get one. I can
envision it in my head, a strip of metal with two studs at 50mm and two
holes at 80mm, I just don't have the ability to make it in my current
situation (I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage locker
in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new digs without at
least a reasonable selection of my tools. I take a collection of common
tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a time. When
headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray into our car, just in
case. And when trying to help out by fixing things there, I've been
frustrated that they lack my collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners,
etc. I've stashed a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage
and said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for future
projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials are in the
house, but for some percentage of them, it’s more a theoretical knowledge
than a practical one. My stress levels dropped a bit when I got the wood
shop mostly together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet to
be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires on my van with my
bike pump because I couldn’t find either of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a 235/65R17 tire
from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute
Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the
floor for a classic British roadster?


In the case of small British sports cars, and some large ones too, the "head unit" usually refers to the owner, often rendered as the "head case".

The SKS Rennkompressor offers a choice of socketry at the end of the tube where the compressed air enters the tube. See https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rennkompressor/ where they are all pictured. I use the modern double head on my bikes, but we have some of the other heads as well as we have two of these exemplary pumps. It's a very civilised pump, unlike too many others which, in the service of a marketing race for the lowest weight, are too short to be used in comfort and, worse, because the tube is short, don't put out as much air per stroke as the all, narrow Rennkompressor. There's a reason it has survived 70 years or so: it's a bloody good pump.

Andre Jute
Sometime head case. You must admit that the MG TC was very beautiful.

No argument, SKS are fine so far as it goes but what does
'specifically for your car' mean?

Which cars are different from other cars as regards valves?
Did you mean 'bicycle' instead of 'car'?


SKS offers AV, DV and SV (I think without looking it up again) heads, and duplicates of some formats that merely screw on rather than being clamped with an over-centre lever. (Lou once mentioned that he had a very old style of head.) Most, perhaps all the screw-on jobs, are for automobile valves.. The other two are for Dunlop valves (an old-fashioned valve now but the last time I looked it up in 2002 still in use on the Continent) and presta valves. The most modern head, the one I use all the time, has two ports, one for presto as on road bikes, one for the automobile valves common on tubes for use on 26in wheels, and clamps on the valve stem with an over-centre lever.

By the way, Tosspot raised a good point, the way the Joe Blow pump's meter sits at the top of the tube. That's the one failing of the Rennkompressor, that the pressure gauge is a long way from your eyes, and the gradations of interest from six feet away are veeeery small for those who ride on low pressure balloons, though attractively extensive for those who pump up high pressure tyres.

Andre Jute
"Whaddaya mean, calling me a jock who inflates his head with a foot pump?"


I glean from all that, "SV option for your car, any car.

Not just for your car specifically nor even specifically
cars as a class but rather any SV application because an SV
head also fits bicycles or any other device with SV."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Are you having me on, Andrew? I hate to call a man from whom I've learned so much wrong, but surely you know better.

An SV valve is a Sclaverand valve, same as Presta, and therefore likely to be found mostly on bicycles for the snottily superior cyclist.

A DV valve is most likely a Dunlop valve, known in the States as a Woods valve, formerly popular in Britain and wherever the Empire stretched in Africa and Asia, and also where Raleigh influence carried -- for instance to The Netherlands, where Gazelle started up in the mists of history as the Dutch Raleigh factory. One can use a Presta pump on it.

That leaves the AV, which is the Schrader auto valve, seen on every car you're likely to meet, including ancient cars. What you should glean from "all this" is that SKS supplies a motor and mountain bike head for their ubiquitous Rennkompressor, listed by SKS as the AV.

Andre Jute
Patient

On 4/29/2020 4:54 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 12:24:45 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2020 5:43 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 6:06:36 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/28/2020 8:46 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 1:01:12 AM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/27/2020 6:31 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:06:57 AM UTC+1, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 9:30 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 4/26/2020 8:23 AM, N8N wrote:
On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 4:02:02 PM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:


If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate, you could opt to get
a new rack, some will accomodate either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to get one. I can
envision it in my head, a strip of metal with two studs at 50mm and two
holes at 80mm, I just don't have the ability to make it in my current
situation (I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage locker
in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new digs without at
least a reasonable selection of my tools. I take a collection of common
tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a time. When
headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray into our car, just in
case. And when trying to help out by fixing things there, I've been
frustrated that they lack my collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners,
etc. I've stashed a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage
and said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for future
projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials are in the
house, but for some percentage of them, it’s more a theoretical knowledge
than a practical one. My stress levels dropped a bit when I got the wood
shop mostly together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet to
be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires on my van with my
bike pump because I couldn’t find either of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a 235/65R17 tire
from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute
Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the
floor for a classic British roadster?


In the case of small British sports cars, and some large ones too, the "head unit" usually refers to the owner, often rendered as the "head case".

The SKS Rennkompressor offers a choice of socketry at the end of the tube where the compressed air enters the tube. See https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rennkompressor/ where they are all pictured. I use the modern double head on my bikes, but we have some of the other heads as well as we have two of these exemplary pumps. It's a very civilised pump, unlike too many others which, in the service of a marketing race for the lowest weight, are too short to be used in comfort and, worse, because the tube is short, don't put out as much air per stroke as the all, narrow Rennkompressor. There's a reason it has survived 70 years or so: it's a bloody good pump.

Andre Jute
Sometime head case. You must admit that the MG TC was very beautiful.

No argument, SKS are fine so far as it goes but what does
'specifically for your car' mean?

Which cars are different from other cars as regards valves?
Did you mean 'bicycle' instead of 'car'?


SKS offers AV, DV and SV (I think without looking it up again) heads, and duplicates of some formats that merely screw on rather than being clamped with an over-centre lever. (Lou once mentioned that he had a very old style of head.) Most, perhaps all the screw-on jobs, are for automobile valves. The other two are for Dunlop valves (an old-fashioned valve now but the last time I looked it up in 2002 still in use on the Continent) and presta valves. The most modern head, the one I use all the time, has two ports, one for presto as on road bikes, one for the automobile valves common on tubes for use on 26in wheels, and clamps on the valve stem with an over-centre lever.

By the way, Tosspot raised a good point, the way the Joe Blow pump's meter sits at the top of the tube. That's the one failing of the Rennkompressor, that the pressure gauge is a long way from your eyes, and the gradations of interest from six feet away are veeeery small for those who ride on low pressure balloons, though attractively extensive for those who pump up high pressure tyres.

Andre Jute
"Whaddaya mean, calling me a jock who inflates his head with a foot pump?"


I glean from all that, "SV option for your car, any car.

Not just for your car specifically nor even specifically
cars as a class but rather any SV application because an SV
head also fits bicycles or any other device with SV."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Are you having me on, Andrew? I hate to call a man from whom I've learned so much wrong, but surely you know better.

An SV valve is a Sclaverand valve, same as Presta, and therefore likely to be found mostly on bicycles for the snottily superior cyclist.

A DV valve is most likely a Dunlop valve, known in the States as a Woods valve, formerly popular in Britain and wherever the Empire stretched in Africa and Asia, and also where Raleigh influence carried -- for instance to The Netherlands, where Gazelle started up in the mists of history as the Dutch Raleigh factory. One can use a Presta pump on it.

That leaves the AV, which is the Schrader auto valve, seen on every car you're likely to meet, including ancient cars. What you should glean from "all this" is that SKS supplies a motor and mountain bike head for their ubiquitous Rennkompressor, listed by SKS as the AV.

Andre Jute
Patient


It was inadvertent. We are two peoples separated by a common
language.

Here, we use PV=Presta, SV=Schrader and the classic ones are
called both Dunlop and Woods but seldom abbreviated.

p.s. a new term in the trade is RV=Presta with removable core.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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If you don't like the idea of fitting an adapter plate, you could opt to get
a new rack, some will accomodate either bolt spacings.

I'm not offended by the idea, I just don't know where to get one. I can
envision it in my head, a strip of metal with two studs at 50mm and two
holes at 80mm, I just don't have the ability to make it in my current
situation (I just moved, and most of my tolls are in a storage locker
in another state)...

Off topic, but I'd be very anxious about moving into new digs without at
least a reasonable selection of my tools. I take a collection of common
tools on any road trip.

There's a family we frequently visit for a couple days at a time. When
headed there, I normally toss my large tool tray into our car, just in
case. And when trying to help out by fixing things there, I've been
frustrated that they lack my collection of scrap metal, odd fasteners,
etc. I've stashed a big box of leftover bit and parts in their garage
and said "This is mine. Please don't throw it out. It's for future
projects."


I moved six months ago and I know all my tools and materials are in the
house, but for some percentage of them, itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s more a theoretical knowledge
than a practical one. My stress levels dropped a bit when I got the wood
shop mostly together, but all my electronics and cycling stuff have yet to
be properly unpacked. Today I topped up the summer tires on my van with my
bike pump because I couldnââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t find either of my air compressors.

Yow. I hope that wasn't a mini pump!


Floor pump, but it still took way too many strokes to fill a 235/65R17 tire
from 10 to 35 psi.

You want to trade in that pump on an SKS Rennkompressor. It's a large orange pump that still comes with a wooden handle, and TdF mechanics use it for the high volume it puts out and the few strokes it requires to go to 160psi. It makes a brilliant motorcar pump too, and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.

Andre Jute
Pumpmeister


'and you can buy a head unit specifically for your car.'

??? What does that mean? One which leaves oil drips on the
floor for a classic British roadster?


In the case of small British sports cars, and some large ones too, the "head unit" usually refers to the owner, often rendered as the "head case".

The SKS Rennkompressor offers a choice of socketry at the end of the tube where the compressed air enters the tube. See https://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rennkompressor/ where they are all pictured. I use the modern double head on my bikes, but we have some of the other heads as well as we have two of these exemplary pumps. It's a very civilised pump, unlike too many others which, in the service of a marketing race for the lowest weight, are too short to be used in comfort and, worse, because the tube is short, don't put out as much air per stroke as the all, narrow Rennkompressor. There's a reason it has survived 70 years or so: it's a bloody good pump..

Andre Jute
Sometime head case. You must admit that the MG TC was very beautiful.

No argument, SKS are fine so far as it goes but what does
'specifically for your car' mean?

Which cars are different from other cars as regards valves?
Did you mean 'bicycle' instead of 'car'?


SKS offers AV, DV and SV (I think without looking it up again) heads, and duplicates of some formats that merely screw on rather than being clamped with an over-centre lever. (Lou once mentioned that he had a very old style of head.) Most, perhaps all the screw-on jobs, are for automobile valves. The other two are for Dunlop valves (an old-fashioned valve now but the last time I looked it up in 2002 still in use on the Continent) and presta valves. The most modern head, the one I use all the time, has two ports, one for presto as on road bikes, one for the automobile valves common on tubes for use on 26in wheels, and clamps on the valve stem with an over-centre lever.

By the way, Tosspot raised a good point, the way the Joe Blow pump's meter sits at the top of the tube. That's the one failing of the Rennkompressor, that the pressure gauge is a long way from your eyes, and the gradations of interest from six feet away are veeeery small for those who ride on low pressure balloons, though attractively extensive for those who pump up high pressure tyres.

Andre Jute
"Whaddaya mean, calling me a jock who inflates his head with a foot pump?"


I glean from all that, "SV option for your car, any car.

Not just for your car specifically nor even specifically
cars as a class but rather any SV application because an SV
head also fits bicycles or any other device with SV."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Are you having me on, Andrew? I hate to call a man from whom I've learned so much wrong, but surely you know better.

An SV valve is a Sclaverand valve, same as Presta, and therefore likely to be found mostly on bicycles for the snottily superior cyclist.

A DV valve is most likely a Dunlop valve, known in the States as a Woods valve, formerly popular in Britain and wherever the Empire stretched in Africa and Asia, and also where Raleigh influence carried -- for instance to The Netherlands, where Gazelle started up in the mists of history as the Dutch Raleigh factory. One can use a Presta pump on it.

That leaves the AV, which is the Schrader auto valve, seen on every car you're likely to meet, including ancient cars. What you should glean from "all this" is that SKS supplies a motor and mountain bike head for their ubiquitous Rennkompressor, listed by SKS as the AV.

Andre Jute
Patient


It was inadvertent. We are two peoples separated by a common
language.

Here, we use PV=Presta, SV=Schrader and the classic ones are
called both Dunlop and Woods but seldom abbreviated.

p.s. a new term in the trade is RV=Presta with removable core.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Duh. I hate these proliferating acronyms. Too many of them are marketing gimmicks to persuade innocents to part with their money for nothing new except the name. -- AJ