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John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote: Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the numbers of bicyclists would remain about the same. Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you would give up bicycles? Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of smallest impact. First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not. The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost of making a Styrofoam Bennie. Take a look Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive... https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87 -- cheers, John B. That’s a great deal if you have 100 kids. |
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 06:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote: Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the numbers of bicyclists would remain about the same. Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you would give up bicycles? Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of smallest impact. First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not. The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost of making a Styrofoam Bennie. Take a look Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive... https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87 -- cheers, John B. That’s a great deal if you have 100 kids. But is an indication of what a large store chain actually pays for the helmets, isn't it. If you are a USian you should immediately start protesting about the bloated plutocrats that make all that profit from bicyclists. -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:12:29 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote: Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the numbers of bicyclists would remain about the same. Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you would give up bicycles? Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of smallest impact. First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not. The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost of making a Styrofoam Bennie. Take a look Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive... https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87 Why ever did you not point out that they are as cheap as $US1.29? umm, might it be because of the number you have to buy. Might it also be because that doesn't include shipping. Finally, does it meet Australian standards. Perhaps next time in your rush to have the last word, you might pause to read carefully. |
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:09:14 +0700, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 06:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote: Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the numbers of bicyclists would remain about the same. Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you would give up bicycles? Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of smallest impact. First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not. The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost of making a Styrofoam Bennie. Take a look Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive... https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87 -- cheers, John B. ThatÂ’s a great deal if you have 100 kids. But is an indication of what a large store chain actually pays for the helmets, isn't it. Lol, weren't you lucky you didn't try to run a business. Plus shipping, Plus storage space, plus loss of interest on outlay to sold plus marketing, plus staff time, plus replacements under warranty, plus other over heads. If you are a USian you should immediately start protesting about the bloated plutocrats that make all that profit from bicyclists. As I told such customers; 'you are free to buy from there'. |
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On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 3:39:30 AM UTC+2, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/27/2020 7:10 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 1:55:48 PM UTC-7, Wolfgang Strobl wrote: When I cycle to the nearby bathing lake, I wear something different than when I drive a few broken roof tiles to the garbage dump and again something else when I ride to the opera on the utility bike. On sunny summer days, I see young girls in airy summer dresses driving by on their bikes. From time to time, a teenager rides here for sports, in a judo suit, by bicycle. Same with football clothing. We wear tweed. http://tweedpdx.net/ Or nothing at all. If I rode to the opera in a suit, I'd have to do 500 feet of climbing to get home -- in a suit. Just riding a few miles in my work clothes to run errands at lunch or go to the doctor, I get back to the office, and I'm a sweaty wreck or rain soaked. I had one job where I rode to work in my nice slacks, and I wore holes in them. Waste of good slacks. I wear normal clothes to run over to the store, assuming I don't walk or drive. But anything more than three or four miles, I wear cycling clothes. That's fine. I've done 20 miles in ordinary clothes many times, but I'll usually use bike shorts, at least, if it's longer than 10 miles. The bike you made fun of ("looks like a dumpster find") by looking at a photo taken in autumn 2007 didn't have a hub generator then, because head- and taillight where driven by a lead/acid battery, so the bottle dynamo just served as a somewhat unreliable backup. ... Wow, you were really hurt. I'm sorry. If somebody told me my commuter looked like POS. I'd just go "meh" and not be emotionally upset. But why say such a thing in the first place? And how ironic that you did that, while claiming I'm the elitist or intolerant one. On one hand, not all cyclists are equally competent, or dedicated, or safe, or skilled, or fast, or stylish, or practical, or young or whatever. We should be able to discuss those differences. But we shouldn't feel a need to insult people for those differences. WTF? This is a bicycle tech group. If somebody posts a picture of bike in obvious need of TLC, this is exactly the place where it will draw a comment. Who knew Wolfgang was so attached to the thing. -- Jay Beattie. Jay, should I be offended every time you make fun of my clean bikes or garage? To give you ammunition this is the bike I traded in for my gravel bike on the way to the shop: https://photos.app.goo.gl/CP1jrywEiH8SfHqLA Wolfgang may also make fun of that. Lou |
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On 6/27/2020 11:12 PM, John B. wrote:
snip Take a look Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive... https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87 Yes, that's the wholesale price from China, without shipping. But in the U.S., a child's helmet is $15-20 at a store like Walmart, probably $25-40 at a bicycle shop. But there are frequent helmet giveaways as well and lack of money is not a reason to go without a helmet, at least for children. For adults, the last MIPs https://mipsprotection.com/ helmet I bought was on sale for $25, normally $40, but you can spend less for a non-MIPS helmet. Of course you can also spend a lot more. In my area the cyclists without helmets are the following three groups: 1) elderly grandparents from China 2) day workers 3) Apple employees riding the company bicycles between buildings or out to lunch (not lately of course). It would be extremely rare to see recreational cyclists, or commuting tech workers, not wearing a helmet. |
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On 6/27/2020 9:44 PM, news18 wrote:
snip First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not. I suppose if you're buying a $60 kids bike at Walmart, $15 is an extra 25%. Not sure what country you are in, but in the United States it's not like that at all. Helmets for children are $15-20, but also available free from a number of organization (i.e. https://sfbike.org/event/sf-bicycle-coalition-and-thinkfirst-helmet-giveaway/. "6 Ways to Get Bike Helmets TOTALLY Free" https://thekrazycouponlady.com/tips/family/free-bike-helmets |
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On 6/27/2020 5:14 PM, John B. wrote:
snip I had assumed that "Your Eminence" was the correct address, but perhaps "Majesty"? If he really is really majestic? The first time someone addressed me as "honorable" I turned around to try to find who they were talking to. At one county agency I go to meetings at, when calling roll the clerk first announces "I am dispensing with calling any of you people honorable." |
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On 6/27/2020 9:34 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:53:15 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/27/2020 6:53 PM, John B. wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:16:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: What part do you object to? Like it or not, I have a reputation for competence. Village cops know me. Many village and city residents know of me. I've been the subject of several articles and interviews in local media. I've served on quite a few relevant committees, taught classes, written articles, etc. Does all that offend you? Oh My God! We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person. Sorry if it bothers you, John. But after decades of work on local bike issues, I'm well known in the area. I'm fairly well known at the state level as well. FWIW, Jay is also pretty well known, but IIRC it's for significant bicycle legal work he did decades ago. I don't know if he's been active in these issues since. How interesting, though, that "no good deed goes unpunished." Even by fellow cyclists. -- - Frank Krygowski No, I took my Alice B. Toeclips Award and retired, except for working on statutes or weighing-in on statutes. OK. I still do lots of bike advocacy work. We all get to make our own choices. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 6/27/2020 8:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:53:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/27/2020 6:53 PM, John B. wrote: On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:16:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: What part do you object to? Like it or not, I have a reputation for competence. Village cops know me. Many village and city residents know of me. I've been the subject of several articles and interviews in local media. I've served on quite a few relevant committees, taught classes, written articles, etc. Does all that offend you? Oh My God! We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person. Sorry if it bothers you, John. But after decades of work on local bike issues, I'm well known in the area. I'm fairly well known at the state level as well. As I said, "We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person" Don't re-phrase. I never said I was "famous." I'm well known in this area regarding bicycle issues, especially among village, city and county officials and others in authority. FWIW, Jay is also pretty well known, but IIRC it's for significant bicycle legal work he did decades ago. I don't know if he's been active in these issues since. How interesting, though, that "no good deed goes unpunished." Even by fellow cyclists. "Look Ma! I'm Wonderful!" Good deed? Or self glorification? There's no self-glorification in the work I do. My name didn't get broadcast when discriminatory laws were repealed, when traffic lights detected waiting bicyclists, when bike maps were published, etc. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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