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  #101  
Old June 28th 20, 07:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Ralph Barone[_4_]
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John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote:



Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the
state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the numbers
of bicyclists would remain about the same.

Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you would
give up bicycles?


Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of
smallest impact.

First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids
bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on
the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big
impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not.


The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I
see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores
here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some
approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost
of making a Styrofoam Bennie.

Take a look
Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive...
https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q
All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87
--
cheers,

John B.



That’s a great deal if you have 100 kids.

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  #102  
Old June 28th 20, 09:09 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 06:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote:



Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the
state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the numbers
of bicyclists would remain about the same.

Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you would
give up bicycles?

Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of
smallest impact.

First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids
bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on
the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big
impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not.


The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I
see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores
here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some
approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost
of making a Styrofoam Bennie.

Take a look
Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive...
https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q
All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87
--
cheers,

John B.



That’s a great deal if you have 100 kids.


But is an indication of what a large store chain actually pays for the
helmets, isn't it.

If you are a USian you should immediately start protesting about the
bloated plutocrats that make all that profit from bicyclists.
--
cheers,

John B.

  #103  
Old June 28th 20, 10:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:12:29 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote:



Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the
state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the
numbers of bicyclists would remain about the same.

Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you
would give up bicycles?


Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area of
smallest impact.

First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids
bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on
the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big
impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not.


The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I
see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores here.
And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some approval
agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost of making a
Styrofoam Bennie.

Take a look Complete with an approval sticker they are really
expensive... https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87


Why ever did you not point out that they are as cheap as $US1.29?
umm, might it be because of the number you have to buy.
Might it also be because that doesn't include shipping.
Finally, does it meet Australian standards.
Perhaps next time in your rush to have the last word, you might pause to
read carefully.

  #104  
Old June 28th 20, 10:06 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:09:14 +0700, John B. wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 06:19:30 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote:

John B. wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 04:44:42 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:02:47 +0700, John B. wrote:



Rationalize it any way that you want to but my guess is that if the
state were to promulgate a helmet law, and enforce it, that the
numbers of bicyclists would remain about the same.

Or are you telling us that if you were forced to wear a helmet you
would give up bicycles?

Err, John, your head is in the clouds and you are looking at the area
of smallest impact.

First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are
kids bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the
purchase on the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase.
It has a big impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or
not.

The actual cost of a bicycle helmet is in the very low dollar range. I
see them every time I go to Lotus-Tesco or any of the large stores
here. And no, they don't have an approval sticker inside from some
approval agency or another but they are indicative of the actual cost
of making a Styrofoam Bennie.

Take a look Complete with an approval sticker they are really
expensive... https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87 --
cheers,

John B.



ThatÂ’s a great deal if you have 100 kids.


But is an indication of what a large store chain actually pays for the
helmets, isn't it.


Lol, weren't you lucky you didn't try to run a business.
Plus shipping,
Plus storage space,
plus loss of interest on outlay to sold
plus marketing,
plus staff time,
plus replacements under warranty,
plus other over heads.


If you are a USian you should immediately start protesting about the
bloated plutocrats that make all that profit from bicyclists.


As I told such customers; 'you are free to buy from there'.

  #105  
Old June 28th 20, 12:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 3:39:30 AM UTC+2, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 5:06:17 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/27/2020 7:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 1:55:48 PM UTC-7, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:

When I cycle to the nearby bathing lake, I wear something different than
when I drive a few broken roof tiles to the garbage dump and again
something else when I ride to the opera on the utility bike. On sunny
summer days, I see young girls in airy summer dresses driving by on
their bikes. From time to time, a teenager rides here for sports, in a
judo suit, by bicycle. Same with football clothing.

We wear tweed. http://tweedpdx.net/ Or nothing at all.

If I rode to the opera in a suit, I'd have to do 500 feet of climbing to get home -- in a suit. Just riding a few miles in my work clothes to run errands at lunch or go to the doctor, I get back to the office, and I'm a sweaty wreck or rain soaked. I had one job where I rode to work in my nice slacks, and I wore holes in them. Waste of good slacks. I wear normal clothes to run over to the store, assuming I don't walk or drive. But anything more than three or four miles, I wear cycling clothes.


That's fine. I've done 20 miles in ordinary clothes many times, but I'll
usually use bike shorts, at least, if it's longer than 10 miles.
The bike you made fun of ("looks like a dumpster find") by looking at a
photo taken in autumn 2007 didn't have a hub generator then, because
head- and taillight where driven by a lead/acid battery, so the bottle
dynamo just served as a somewhat unreliable backup.
...

Wow, you were really hurt. I'm sorry. If somebody told me my commuter looked like POS. I'd just go "meh" and not be emotionally upset.


But why say such a thing in the first place? And how ironic that you did
that, while claiming I'm the elitist or intolerant one.

On one hand, not all cyclists are equally competent, or dedicated, or
safe, or skilled, or fast, or stylish, or practical, or young or
whatever. We should be able to discuss those differences.

But we shouldn't feel a need to insult people for those differences.


WTF? This is a bicycle tech group. If somebody posts a picture of bike in obvious need of TLC, this is exactly the place where it will draw a comment. Who knew Wolfgang was so attached to the thing.

-- Jay Beattie.


Jay, should I be offended every time you make fun of my clean bikes or garage? To give you ammunition this is the bike I traded in for my gravel bike on the way to the shop:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/CP1jrywEiH8SfHqLA
Wolfgang may also make fun of that.

Lou
  #106  
Old June 28th 20, 03:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/27/2020 11:12 PM, John B. wrote:

snip

Take a look
Complete with an approval sticker they are really expensive...
https://tinyurl.com/y92vrq7q
All of US$ 1.29 or A$1.87


Yes, that's the wholesale price from China, without shipping. But in the
U.S., a child's helmet is $15-20 at a store like Walmart, probably
$25-40 at a bicycle shop. But there are frequent helmet giveaways as
well and lack of money is not a reason to go without a helmet, at least
for children.

For adults, the last MIPs https://mipsprotection.com/ helmet I bought
was on sale for $25, normally $40, but you can spend less for a non-MIPS
helmet. Of course you can also spend a lot more.

In my area the cyclists without helmets are the following three groups:
1) elderly grandparents from China
2) day workers
3) Apple employees riding the company bicycles between buildings or out
to lunch (not lately of course).

It would be extremely rare to see recreational cyclists, or commuting
tech workers, not wearing a helmet.
  #107  
Old June 28th 20, 03:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/27/2020 9:44 PM, news18 wrote:

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First point is that over here, the biggest market for bicycles are kids
bicycles and adding the price of a compulsory helmet to the purchase on
the bicycle can start at an extra 25% cost on purchase. It has a big
impact for some families on weather kids get bicycles or not.



I suppose if you're buying a $60 kids bike at Walmart, $15 is an extra 25%.

Not sure what country you are in, but in the United States it's not like
that at all. Helmets for children are $15-20, but also available free
from a number of organization (i.e.
https://sfbike.org/event/sf-bicycle-coalition-and-thinkfirst-helmet-giveaway/.

"6 Ways to Get Bike Helmets TOTALLY Free"
https://thekrazycouponlady.com/tips/family/free-bike-helmets
  #108  
Old June 28th 20, 03:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/27/2020 5:14 PM, John B. wrote:

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I had assumed that "Your Eminence" was the correct address, but
perhaps "Majesty"? If he really is really majestic?


The first time someone addressed me as "honorable" I turned around to
try to find who they were talking to.

At one county agency I go to meetings at, when calling roll the clerk
first announces "I am dispensing with calling any of you people honorable."
  #109  
Old June 28th 20, 03:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/27/2020 9:34 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 4:53:15 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/27/2020 6:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:16:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:


What part do you object to? Like it or not, I have a reputation for
competence. Village cops know me. Many village and city residents know
of me. I've been the subject of several articles and interviews in local
media. I've served on quite a few relevant committees, taught classes,
written articles, etc.

Does all that offend you?


Oh My God! We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person.


Sorry if it bothers you, John. But after decades of work on local bike
issues, I'm well known in the area. I'm fairly well known at the state
level as well.

FWIW, Jay is also pretty well known, but IIRC it's for significant
bicycle legal work he did decades ago. I don't know if he's been active
in these issues since.

How interesting, though, that "no good deed goes unpunished." Even by
fellow cyclists.

--
- Frank Krygowski


No, I took my Alice B. Toeclips Award and retired, except for working on statutes or weighing-in on statutes.


OK. I still do lots of bike advocacy work. We all get to make our own
choices.


--
- Frank Krygowski
  #110  
Old June 28th 20, 03:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/27/2020 8:22 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:53:11 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/27/2020 6:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:16:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:


What part do you object to? Like it or not, I have a reputation for
competence. Village cops know me. Many village and city residents know
of me. I've been the subject of several articles and interviews in local
media. I've served on quite a few relevant committees, taught classes,
written articles, etc.

Does all that offend you?


Oh My God! We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person.


Sorry if it bothers you, John. But after decades of work on local bike
issues, I'm well known in the area. I'm fairly well known at the state
level as well.


As I said, "We hadn't been advised that you were such a famous person"


Don't re-phrase. I never said I was "famous." I'm well known in this
area regarding bicycle issues, especially among village, city and county
officials and others in authority.


FWIW, Jay is also pretty well known, but IIRC it's for significant
bicycle legal work he did decades ago. I don't know if he's been active
in these issues since.

How interesting, though, that "no good deed goes unpunished." Even by
fellow cyclists.


"Look Ma! I'm Wonderful!"
Good deed? Or self glorification?


There's no self-glorification in the work I do. My name didn't get
broadcast when discriminatory laws were repealed, when traffic lights
detected waiting bicyclists, when bike maps were published, etc.

--
- Frank Krygowski
 




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