Helmets and wind noise

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:


Right.


What, are you one of those anti-helmet morons?

App

App wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

Right.

What, are you one of those anti-helmet morons?

Way to snip to remove any meaning to your post!

LOL

(j/k RL, you're aces!)

On 26 Jul 2005 09:08:18 -0700, "App" wrote:



John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:


Right.


What, are you one of those anti-helmet morons?

App

I just doubt that most of the numerous "helmet saved my life" stories
are true. If that makes me anti-helmet in your eyes, so be it.

JT


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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

I just doubt that most of the numerous "helmet saved my life" stories
are true. If that makes me anti-helmet in your eyes, so be it.

JT


Dear John,

I'll send you pix of the helmet if you wish - and, no, I probably
wouldn't be dead, but I sure wouldn't be near as happy a camper as I am
right now.

The here I was referring to was slouched in front of the 'puter.

Thanks for clarifying that you aren't necessarily against helmets, but
rather that you think I am one of a group of individuals that
exaggerate their accidents related to helmets.

Do you think it's for some sort of weird self-aggrandizement or do you
view it as more of a opportunity for a helmet-proponent (which I am,
but hardly vocal) to try to score points in the on-going helmet wars?

Or perhaps another theory?

App

Bill -

Ditto for you, DAB!

Sure missed you, buddy!

RL

How's that for good snippage. Next time, top-posting, just for you!

App wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

I just doubt that most of the numerous "helmet saved my life" stories
are true. If that makes me anti-helmet in your eyes, so be it.

JT


Dear John,

I'll send you pix of the helmet if you wish - and, no, I probably
wouldn't be dead, but I sure wouldn't be near as happy a camper as I am
right now.

The here I was referring to was slouched in front of the 'puter.

Well, I'll admit that before bike helmets were invented, there were
very few bike crash victims who followed up by typing on the internet.

I suppose that will pop up in some future helmet promotion effort. But
I don't think it means much.

- Frank Krygowski

On 26 Jul 2005 21:30:16 -0700, "App" wrote:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

I just doubt that most of the numerous "helmet saved my life" stories
are true. If that makes me anti-helmet in your eyes, so be it.

JT


Dear John,

I'll send you pix of the helmet if you wish -
I don't need to see it - I know what th deal is - it was completely
crushed, exploded, whatever -- I;ve seen that.

and, no, I probably
wouldn't be dead, but I sure wouldn't be near as happy a camper as I am
right now.

The here I was referring to was slouched in front of the 'puter.

OK -- writing "(I probably wouldn't be here if the helmet hadn't been
there). But alive and kicking." is rather misleading.

Thanks for clarifying that you aren't necessarily against helmets, but
rather that you think I am one of a group of individuals that
exaggerate their accidents related to helmets.

Do you think it's for some sort of weird self-aggrandizement or do you
view it as more of a opportunity for a helmet-proponent (which I am,
but hardly vocal) to try to score points in the on-going helmet wars?

Or perhaps another theory?

I was writing in response to the apparent claim you'd have been dead
w/o a helmet. In such a case, unless you are some sort of expert on
destruction of the materials in helmets, or accident reconstruction, I
simply don't think you or most people who make the "I would have been
dead claim" have the expertise to really make that assesement. And
given how many times we hear it, in contrast to how few people we hear
about how's heads are cracked open and die w/o a helmet, it seems
implausible.

I think the fact that you are (as you describe yourself) a "helment
proponent" would make it likely that you (subconsciously probably)
want to believe that the helmet saved your life. I'd speculate that it
didn't hurt you -- maybe saved you from some sort of injury. But
death? Tha'ts quite a long shot. Maybe. But it's hard to know that
and it's probably not true.

Helmets probably help -- that's why I usually wear one. For sure they
help from scrapes and cuts, and maybe sometimes even concussions.
They might even save lives or prevent permanent injury sometimes. But
there is no way that the majority of "the helmet saved my life"
stories coudl be true. It's not plausible.


JT

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I propose a controlled test : Assemble a pack of 100 cyclists, 50 with
helmets, 50 with out, randomly spread out over the right lane of a typical
two lane road, though reasonably bunched together front to back to simulate
a large group ride. Then, to simulate actual riding conditions in Dallas
(where I ride), have a Lincoln Navigator or equivalent plow through the rear
of the pack at 50 mph on a 35 mph road, yelling "OUT OF THE WAY !!!! GET OFF
THE ROAD !!!". Then, simply count the bodies, with and with out helmets.

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Bill -

Ditto for you, DAB!

Sure missed you, buddy!

RL

How's that for good snippage. Next time, top-posting, just for you!

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:15:47 -0500, "Ed Viladevall"
wrote:

I propose a controlled test : Assemble a pack of 100 cyclists, 50 with
helmets, 50 with out, randomly spread out over the right lane of a typical
two lane road, though reasonably bunched together front to back to simulate
a large group ride. Then, to simulate actual riding conditions in Dallas
(where I ride), have a Lincoln Navigator or equivalent plow through the rear
of the pack at 50 mph on a 35 mph road, yelling "OUT OF THE WAY !!!! GET OFF
THE ROAD !!!". Then, simply count the bodies, with and with out helmets.

I very much suspect there will be statistically significant difference
there.

Jasper

Ed Viladevall wrote:
I propose a controlled test : Assemble a pack of 100 cyclists, 50 with
helmets, 50 with out, randomly spread out over the right lane of a typical
two lane road, though reasonably bunched together front to back to simulate
a large group ride. Then, to simulate actual riding conditions in Dallas
(where I ride), have a Lincoln Navigator or equivalent plow through the rear
of the pack at 50 mph on a 35 mph road, yelling "OUT OF THE WAY !!!! GET OFF
THE ROAD !!!". Then, simply count the bodies, with and with out helmets.

Apparently there are still people who are convinced that bike helmets
save a detectable number of lives when people are hit by 50 mph cars.
Amazing!

- Frank Krygowski