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Old July 31st 07, 04:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07

As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels
that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be
whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same
concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I
think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well
because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and
have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso,
last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's
Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.

"The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are
running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport.
What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign
someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out
of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way
but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to
play by the rules - including the team managers."
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Old July 31st 07, 05:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 31, 11:50 am, samson wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07

As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels
that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be
whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same
concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I
think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well
because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and
have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso,
last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's
Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.

"The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are
running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport.
What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign
someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out
of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way
but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to
play by the rules - including the team managers."


Yep, good idea. Everyone who has even been rumored to have ever, even
known someone who has doped, or been on a team where someone doped
should be unemployable. That means we need a couple hundred new pros,
of course they can't come from any teams with links to pro teams who
have ever been linked to doping, or from teams who have ever had a
rider who was caught doping as a pro, or anyone under suspicion of
doping as an amateur.
Bill C

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Old July 31st 07, 06:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 31, 12:28 pm, Bill C wrote:
On Jul 31, 11:50 am, samson wrote:





http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07


As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels
that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be
whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same
concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I
think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well
because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and
have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso,
last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's
Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.


"The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are
running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport.
What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign
someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out
of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way
but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to
play by the rules - including the team managers."


Yep, good idea. Everyone who has even been rumored to have ever, even
known someone who has doped, or been on a team where someone doped
should be unemployable. That means we need a couple hundred new pros,
of course they can't come from any teams with links to pro teams who
have ever been linked to doping, or from teams who have ever had a
rider who was caught doping as a pro, or anyone under suspicion of
doping as an amateur.
Bill C- Hide quoted text -

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Sinkewitz fired after confession

Face it Bill, Smoke equals fire.

You cannot defend this sport they have let you down

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Old July 31st 07, 06:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 31, 1:20 pm, wrote:
On Jul 31, 12:28 pm, Bill C wrote:





On Jul 31, 11:50 am, samson wrote:


http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07


As many others are beginning to say, the Olympic champion also feels
that a disproportionate amount of the pressure is put on riders to be
whiter than white, while teams and their managers don't have the same
concerns. He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: "I
think the team managers have to take responsibility for this as well
because they're willing to pay these guys who are under suspicion and
have been involved in previous years in doping scandals. Ivan Basso,
last year got thrown off the Tour is disgrace - [Discovery Channel's
Johan] Brunyeel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.


"The hypocrisy in that is unbelievable," Wiggins stated. "These guys are
running some of the biggest professional cycling teams in the sport.
What's their motivation within the sport if they are willing to sign
someone who they knew was under investigation of who had been thrown out
of the Tour the previous year. Not every team manager thinks that way
but it seems that there is a minority out there who aren't willing to
play by the rules - including the team managers."


Yep, good idea. Everyone who has even been rumored to have ever, even
known someone who has doped, or been on a team where someone doped
should be unemployable. That means we need a couple hundred new pros,
of course they can't come from any teams with links to pro teams who
have ever been linked to doping, or from teams who have ever had a
rider who was caught doping as a pro, or anyone under suspicion of
doping as an amateur.
Bill C- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Sinkewitz fired after confession

Face it Bill, Smoke equals fire.

You cannot defend this sport they have let you down- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yep there are lots of people doping. Let's find them and deal with
them in an open, honest, verifiable system of due process. If that was
done then I would have very little problem with a lifetime ban for a
2nd offense.
One of the problems with this is that the most sophisticated of the
dopers will aways be ahead of the testing, and the richest teams and
riders will be able to spend for those new methods.
The rich get richer, we still have no guarantee anything is clean and
fair, and riders not attached to the big program teams fell they need
to dope to compete, but get busted because theyu don't have the
resources.
That works for you all?
Name me a sport that's cleaner, or gone after dopers harder? Then
prove it.
Bill C

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Old July 31st 07, 07:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 31, 5:50 pm, samson wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07

He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: [...]
Bruyneel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.


Hmmm. I don't see anywhere in that article where Wiggins criticized
Moreni or Eric Boyer.

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Old July 31st 07, 08:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 31, 5:50 pm, samson wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07

He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: [...]
Bruyneel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.


Hmmm. I don't see anywhere in that article where Wiggins criticized
Moreni or Eric Boyer.


Perhaps they didn't offor Basso, Paulinio, Contador and Davis a
contract afterer OP.

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Old July 31st 07, 08:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 31, 9:03 pm, Morten Reippuert wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 31, 5:50 pm, samson wrote:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/?
id=/riders/2007/interviews/tour_wiggins_post07


He singles out one particular team for specific criticism: [...]
Bruyneel this year goes and signs him on a million Euro contract.

Hmmm. I don't see anywhere in that article where Wiggins criticized
Moreni or Eric Boyer.


Perhaps they didn't offor Basso, Paulinio, Contador and Davis a
contract afterer OP.


Ah. That's right: it's not actual doping that's bad. It's hiring
suspicious guys. And the reason Wiggins didn't finish the Tour wasn't
because Moreni doped and got caught: it was because Bruyneel hired
Basso.

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Old July 31st 07, 09:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.racing
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On Jul 31, 1:41 pm, Dan Connelly
wrote:
Great: so imagine you get called into your boss's office, and he says someone reported seeing your Trek parked on a wheelchair ramp. He fires you, ignoring your claims of innocence. You search for jobs, but nobody will hire you, as word gets around.

Nice.

Basso has been cleared by the Italian federation. You can't black-list people on smoke.


While I'm not in the smoke=fire camp, your example bolsters that
position since Basso confessed to attempted doping in connection to
Operation Puerto. I suppose one could argue that attempted doping is
only smoke, but no fire, the intent to commit arson was clearly there.



 




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