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Old September 19th 20, 01:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/18/2020 5:43 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/


Adds a new dimension to the term "Freedom of Expression". Which the
Supreme Court has termed "the matrix, the indispensable condition of
nearly every other form of freedom."


Oh you have no idea how far this has gone:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-portland-riot

Some people might worry about their employment once they are
arraigned. Others don't worry at all.

--
Andrew Muzi
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Old September 19th 20, 01:22 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/18/2020 4:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 10:58:34 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op vrijdag 18 september 2020 om 19:46:07 UTC+2 schreef :
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op vrijdag 18 september 2020 om 17:54:44 UTC+2 schreef :
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 8:34:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/

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Some folks really don't like Trump

Deacon Mark
Joe Biden walks into a bar and sits next to a pretty young woman. He looks over at her and says, "Do I come here often?"
Tom, how old are you?
I am 75 years old, 2 years younger than Joe Biden, and I have watched a couple of members of our riding group die from Alzheimers. They were at the stage that Biden is now and within days they died. It isn't in the least funny that they have put some demented doofus who has never done one single thing in his entire life as a politicians that wasn't wrong and they run him as the best that the Democrats can produce. Then after the communist Bernie Sanders loses to Biden because no one wants a communist, Biden takes on the entire communist platform of Sanders.,

Tell us Lou - what do you think would happen to the world if Biden were to be elected? This country and the entire world would be mired in permanent war. The dollar would be reduced to nothing and the food supply for half of the world would disappear. Is that something you think should happen?

How are so sure that would happen?


Because that is what they have promised to do. I guess that you aren't exposed to their garbage day in and day out.



Judge for yourself:
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

(it's over 100 pages so plan for that. Few people have read
the whole damned thing)

Amazingly while many recoil in horror others cheer them on.

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  #13  
Old September 19th 20, 01:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:16:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 5:43 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/


Adds a new dimension to the term "Freedom of Expression". Which the
Supreme Court has termed "the matrix, the indispensable condition of
nearly every other form of freedom."


Oh you have no idea how far this has gone:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-portland-riot

Some people might worry about their employment once they are
arraigned. Others don't worry at all.


I had never heard of an "legislative director" and so looked it up on
Google. It seems that an "legislative director" is a person that "
usually works at the state or federal capitol with a particular
legislator, monitoring all issues and proposed laws, and then making
recommendations based on his or her boss's political bent.

In common English that might say, "reads the proposed legislation and
tells the Legislator how to vote"? Or perhaps "aids the Legislator in
voting for or against legislation that he hasn't read and doesn't
understand"?
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Cheers,

John B.

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Old September 19th 20, 03:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:22:35 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 4:24 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 10:58:34 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op vrijdag 18 september 2020 om 19:46:07 UTC+2 schreef :
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Op vrijdag 18 september 2020 om 17:54:44 UTC+2 schreef :
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 8:15:30 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 8:34:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Some folks really don't like Trump

Deacon Mark
Joe Biden walks into a bar and sits next to a pretty young woman. He looks over at her and says, "Do I come here often?"
Tom, how old are you?
I am 75 years old, 2 years younger than Joe Biden, and I have watched a couple of members of our riding group die from Alzheimers. They were at the stage that Biden is now and within days they died. It isn't in the least funny that they have put some demented doofus who has never done one single thing in his entire life as a politicians that wasn't wrong and they run him as the best that the Democrats can produce. Then after the communist Bernie Sanders loses to Biden because no one wants a communist, Biden takes on the entire communist platform of Sanders.,

Tell us Lou - what do you think would happen to the world if Biden were to be elected? This country and the entire world would be mired in permanent war. The dollar would be reduced to nothing and the food supply for half of the world would disappear. Is that something you think should happen?
How are so sure that would happen?


Because that is what they have promised to do. I guess that you aren't exposed to their garbage day in and day out.



Judge for yourself:
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

(it's over 100 pages so plan for that. Few people have read
the whole damned thing)

Amazingly while many recoil in horror others cheer them on.


I read just a bit and it seems, at least in part, to be a very self
serving document, although I guess that it probably is intended to be
:-) For example it mentions that salaries haven't increased but costs
have risen, and thus minimum salaries "must" be increased.

Or to use another description inflation is occurring.... but one of
the main causes of inflation is an increase in the money supply so
increasing salaries is a certain method of causing inflation. :-(

On the other hand, telling someone, "Vote for me and I'll give you $15
an hour", will likely entice a certain amount of voter support :-(
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Cheers,

John B.

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Old September 19th 20, 10:08 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 9/18/2020 7:36 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:16:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 5:43 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/

Adds a new dimension to the term "Freedom of Expression". Which the
Supreme Court has termed "the matrix, the indispensable condition of
nearly every other form of freedom."


Oh you have no idea how far this has gone:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-portland-riot

Some people might worry about their employment once they are
arraigned. Others don't worry at all.


I had never heard of an "legislative director" and so looked it up on
Google. It seems that an "legislative director" is a person that "
usually works at the state or federal capitol with a particular
legislator, monitoring all issues and proposed laws, and then making
recommendations based on his or her boss's political bent.

In common English that might say, "reads the proposed legislation and
tells the Legislator how to vote"? Or perhaps "aids the Legislator in
voting for or against legislation that he hasn't read and doesn't
understand"?



I know nothing of politics in Oregon.

That job in Illinois would be called "Mr Madigan's Bag Man"
on the timeless principle that the Speaker decides which
loony ideas will be passed into law and which will die in
committee. There's a long line of people who will pay for
any given bill to pass and another just as long line to drop
it. The artful Legislative Director will maximize the
revenue by shaking down both groups.

--
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www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


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Old September 19th 20, 11:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 2:08:27 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/18/2020 7:36 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:16:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 5:43 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/

Adds a new dimension to the term "Freedom of Expression". Which the
Supreme Court has termed "the matrix, the indispensable condition of
nearly every other form of freedom."


Oh you have no idea how far this has gone:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-portland-riot

Some people might worry about their employment once they are
arraigned. Others don't worry at all.


I had never heard of an "legislative director" and so looked it up on
Google. It seems that an "legislative director" is a person that "
usually works at the state or federal capitol with a particular
legislator, monitoring all issues and proposed laws, and then making
recommendations based on his or her boss's political bent.

In common English that might say, "reads the proposed legislation and
tells the Legislator how to vote"? Or perhaps "aids the Legislator in
voting for or against legislation that he hasn't read and doesn't
understand"?



I know nothing of politics in Oregon.

That job in Illinois would be called "Mr Madigan's Bag Man"
on the timeless principle that the Speaker decides which
loony ideas will be passed into law and which will die in
committee. There's a long line of people who will pay for
any given bill to pass and another just as long line to drop
it. The artful Legislative Director will maximize the
revenue by shaking down both groups.


Yes, its all sinister and terribly bad. Like the passage of S.1532: No Human Trafficking on Our Roads Act -- which garnered much push-back from the human trafficking lobby. Total shakedown. I hear that one opponent actually received two human slaves -- and a Freightliner for transporting them.

I mention federal legislation since the job of legislative director is the same at the state and federal level, viz., coordinating a legislators legislative agenda, shepherding bills through the legislative process, monitoring legislation, etc., etc. They meet with constituents and constituent groups, but they don't whip votes, AFAIK. Lobbyists meet with anyone they can and appear in hearings and organize others to appear at hearing.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old September 19th 20, 11:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 16:08:25 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 7:36 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:16:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 5:43 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/

Adds a new dimension to the term "Freedom of Expression". Which the
Supreme Court has termed "the matrix, the indispensable condition of
nearly every other form of freedom."


Oh you have no idea how far this has gone:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-portland-riot

Some people might worry about their employment once they are
arraigned. Others don't worry at all.


I had never heard of an "legislative director" and so looked it up on
Google. It seems that an "legislative director" is a person that "
usually works at the state or federal capitol with a particular
legislator, monitoring all issues and proposed laws, and then making
recommendations based on his or her boss's political bent.

In common English that might say, "reads the proposed legislation and
tells the Legislator how to vote"? Or perhaps "aids the Legislator in
voting for or against legislation that he hasn't read and doesn't
understand"?



I know nothing of politics in Oregon.

That job in Illinois would be called "Mr Madigan's Bag Man"
on the timeless principle that the Speaker decides which
loony ideas will be passed into law and which will die in
committee. There's a long line of people who will pay for
any given bill to pass and another just as long line to drop
it. The artful Legislative Director will maximize the
revenue by shaking down both groups.


Otherwise referred to as "Democracy in action" :-)
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Cheers,

John B.

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Old September 20th 20, 01:32 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 9/19/2020 5:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/18/2020 7:36 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:16:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 5:43 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/


Adds a new dimension to the term "Freedom of Expression". Which the
Supreme Court has termed "the matrix, the indispensable condition of
nearly every other form of freedom."


Oh you have no idea how far this has gone:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-portland-riot


Some people might worry about their employment once they are
arraigned. Others don't worry at all.


I had never heard of an "legislative director" and so looked it up on
Google. It seems that an "legislative director" is a person that "
usually works at the state or federal capitol with a particular
legislator, monitoring all issues and proposed laws, and then making
recommendations based on his or her boss's political bent.

In common English that might say, "reads the proposed legislation and
tells the Legislator how to vote"? Or perhaps "aids the Legislator in
voting for or against legislation that he hasn't read and doesn't
understand"?



I know nothing of politics in Oregon.

That job in Illinois would be called "Mr Madigan's Bag Man" on the
timeless principle that the Speaker decides which loony ideas will be
passed into law and which will die in committee.Â* There's a long line of
people who will pay for any given bill to pass and another just as long
line to drop it. The artful Legislative Director will maximize the
revenue by shaking down both groups.


I don't doubt that there's plenty of underhanded action. Have you heard
about the huge bribery scandal in Ohio, where the power company shelled
out millions in bribes to get a law passed that something like 80% of
the population hated? Then money was spent to buy off the firms that
would otherwise have helped organize a referendum to repeal, a
referendum which certainly would have passed. The publicity defending
that bill was the most dishonest thing I've seen outside a Trump news
conference - e.g. "The Chinese are against this bill because they want
to take over Ohio's electric grid!" in expensive TV ads and in flyers
mailed to every household.

The Speaker of the House got arrested when the FBI got enough evidence,
but the legislators (many elected by use of those bribes and donations)
are still discussing whether or not to repeal the law. The effects of
the bribe money and related campaign donations are far reaching,
designed to cement the Republican control of the legislature.

And yet: The Ohio Bicycle Federation has succeeded in getting several
very good laws passed for Ohio bicyclists. That's without using bribe
money, campaign donations or any dishonesty at all.

Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all
legislators are not evil.


--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old September 20th 20, 01:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 9/19/2020 8:32 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:

I meant to include a link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/u...-arrested.html


I don't doubt that there's plenty of underhanded action. Have you heard
about the huge bribery scandal in Ohio, where the power company shelled
out millions in bribes to get a law passed that something like 80% of
the population hated? Then money was spent to buy off the firms that
would otherwise have helped organize a referendum to repeal, a
referendum which certainly would have passed. The publicity defending
that bill was the most dishonest thing I've seen outside a Trump news
conference - e.g. "The Chinese are against this bill because they want
to take over Ohio's electric grid!" in expensive TV ads and in flyers
mailed to every household.

The Speaker of the House got arrested when the FBI got enough evidence,
but the legislators (many elected by use of those bribes and donations)
are still discussing whether or not to repeal the law. The effects of
the bribe money and related campaign donations are far reaching,
designed to cement the Republican control of the legislature.

And yet: The Ohio Bicycle Federation has succeeded in getting several
very good laws passed for Ohio bicyclists. That's without using bribe
money, campaign donations or any dishonesty at all.

Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all
legislators are not evil.




--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old September 20th 20, 02:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B.[_3_]
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On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:32:22 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/19/2020 5:08 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/18/2020 7:36 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:16:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/18/2020 5:43 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:51 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/17/maine-...ans-mailboxes/


Adds a new dimension to the term "Freedom of Expression". Which the
Supreme Court has termed "the matrix, the indispensable condition of
nearly every other form of freedom."


Oh you have no idea how far this has gone:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-portland-riot


Some people might worry about their employment once they are
arraigned. Others don't worry at all.

I had never heard of an "legislative director" and so looked it up on
Google. It seems that an "legislative director" is a person that "
usually works at the state or federal capitol with a particular
legislator, monitoring all issues and proposed laws, and then making
recommendations based on his or her boss's political bent.

In common English that might say, "reads the proposed legislation and
tells the Legislator how to vote"? Or perhaps "aids the Legislator in
voting for or against legislation that he hasn't read and doesn't
understand"?



I know nothing of politics in Oregon.

That job in Illinois would be called "Mr Madigan's Bag Man" on the
timeless principle that the Speaker decides which loony ideas will be
passed into law and which will die in committee.* There's a long line of
people who will pay for any given bill to pass and another just as long
line to drop it. The artful Legislative Director will maximize the
revenue by shaking down both groups.


I don't doubt that there's plenty of underhanded action. Have you heard
about the huge bribery scandal in Ohio, where the power company shelled
out millions in bribes to get a law passed that something like 80% of
the population hated? Then money was spent to buy off the firms that
would otherwise have helped organize a referendum to repeal, a
referendum which certainly would have passed. The publicity defending
that bill was the most dishonest thing I've seen outside a Trump news
conference - e.g. "The Chinese are against this bill because they want
to take over Ohio's electric grid!" in expensive TV ads and in flyers
mailed to every household.

The Speaker of the House got arrested when the FBI got enough evidence,
but the legislators (many elected by use of those bribes and donations)
are still discussing whether or not to repeal the law. The effects of
the bribe money and related campaign donations are far reaching,
designed to cement the Republican control of the legislature.

And yet: The Ohio Bicycle Federation has succeeded in getting several
very good laws passed for Ohio bicyclists. That's without using bribe
money, campaign donations or any dishonesty at all.

Evil is out there, usually overweight and wearing a fine suit. But all
legislators are not evil.


On the other hand, who cares about a few bicyclists? From an electoral
point of view that are probably valueless. So why not a few Brownie
points being seen as an advocate of a minority group without upsetting
the power players.
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Cheers,

John B.

 




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