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bike to work, but bicycling commuters are seen, I think, as ecologically aware now, whereas ten years ago they were probably just thought of as "broke". I'd like to think of myself as both. Mine is the kind of style that spans a decade.... |
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"Rangersfan" wrote in message news:wwQ%d.10804$wL6.10216@trnddc03... I've seen some excellent mom and pop coffee shops go out of business because of charbucks. I've seen several go out of business without any help from Starbucks. I know of at least one Mom and Pop whose standard of living went up significantly when they closed their own store and took store-management jobs with Starbucks. Charbucks succeeds were others fail because they have a superior business model, not because they have a superior product. Sez you. No disrespect intended, but it's a matter of taste. The coffee at charbucks tastes insipid to me. As far as I'm concerned, trying to get a great cup of coffee at charbucks is like trying to get a great steak at McDonalds. I certainly can't knock their business model though. They roast their coffee at central locations to save money. They overroast their beans to add "flavor" because most of the real flavor is lost in the 2-3 months that passes between when the beans are roasted and when they find their way into your cup. They also overroast to give their coffee a consistent "flavor". A charred coffee bean pretty much tastes the same no matter where you go. The fact that charbucks succeeds so well goes to show that most people who frequent them don't know what good coffee is and are easily swayed by atmostphere and salesmanship. Or the fact that you don't like their coffee shows that you're an arrogant snob who resents success. Now I'm not saying that's true, but it's no more provable than your opinion. RichC |
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"Rich Clark" wrote in message
... Charbucks succeeds were others fail because they have a superior business model, not because they have a superior product. Sez you. No disrespect intended, but it's a matter of taste. Actually it's a matter of knowing the differences between what makes a good cup of coffee and what doesn't. The coffee at charbucks tastes insipid to me. As far as I'm concerned, trying to get a great cup of coffee at charbucks is like trying to get a great steak at McDonalds. I certainly can't knock their business model though. They roast their coffee at central locations to save money. They overroast their beans to add "flavor" because most of the real flavor is lost in the 2-3 months that passes between when the beans are roasted and when they find their way into your cup. They also overroast to give their coffee a consistent "flavor". A charred coffee bean pretty much tastes the same no matter where you go. The fact that charbucks succeeds so well goes to show that most people who frequent them don't know what good coffee is and are easily swayed by atmostphere and salesmanship. Or the fact that you don't like their coffee shows that you're an arrogant snob who resents success. Now I'm not saying that's true, but it's no more provable than your opinion. I find it interesting that you would thumb your nose and DD coffee (who actually has a very good cup these days) and then accuse me of being arrogant. It sounds to me as if you're the type of person who truly believes he's getting a better cup because he pays 3-4 times more from a place that uses Italian to describe their cup sizes. If I went to a restaraunt and paid $20 for a steak and then got a bad one, I wouldn't be returning. It's the same with charbucks. If I pay $3 for a cup of coffee, I expect the highest quality. My experience with quality coffee started when I was in Europe and found out what a quality coffee really was (years before charbucks was ever conceived). I've since taken the time to learn how to roast my own coffee and prepare a very good cup. You are right in that it is just my opinion. However my opinion comes from many years of experience with a hobby that I enjoy very much. If you read someone claimed a Huffy was superior to a Trek, would you call the person that rebuffed them arrogant? It's still a matter of opinion isn't it? |
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"Rangersfan" wrote in message news:vVf0e.14451$GI6.10234@trnddc05... I find it interesting that you would thumb your nose and DD coffee (who actually has a very good cup these days) and then accuse me of being arrogant. It sounds to me as if you're the type of person who truly believes he's getting a better cup because he pays 3-4 times more from a place that uses Italian to describe their cup sizes. If I went to a restaraunt and paid $20 for a steak and then got a bad one, I wouldn't be returning. It's the same with charbucks. If I pay $3 for a cup of coffee, I expect the highest quality. My experience with quality coffee started when I was in Europe and found out what a quality coffee really was (years before charbucks was ever conceived). I've since taken the time to learn how to roast my own coffee and prepare a very good cup. You are right in that it is just my opinion. However my opinion comes from many years of experience with a hobby that I enjoy very much. If you read someone claimed a Huffy was superior to a Trek, would you call the person that rebuffed them arrogant? It's still a matter of opinion isn't it? Yes it is, although there's a difference between things that can be proved and things that can't that I should not have to point out to you. I also know that people can convince themselves of anything, and the more they invest themselves in something the more heavily entrenched they become in defending it. So enjoy your expertise. That and a coupla bucks will buy you... a cup of coffee. RichC |
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"Rich Clark" wrote in message
... Yes it is, although there's a difference between things that can be proved and things that can't that I should not have to point out to you. I also know that people can convince themselves of anything, and the more they invest themselves in something the more heavily entrenched they become in defending it. So enjoy your expertise. That and a coupla bucks will buy you... a cup of coffee. Not at charbucks. Enjoy your $3 cup of coffee too. |
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Rangersfan wrote: "Rich Clark" wrote in message ... Yes it is, although there's a difference between things that can be proved and things that can't that I should not have to point out to you. I also know that people can convince themselves of anything, and the more they invest themselves in something the more heavily entrenched they become in defending it. So enjoy your expertise. That and a coupla bucks will buy you... a cup of coffee. Not at charbucks. Enjoy your $3 cup of coffee too. Where do people get this ****? A 20-oz coffee is less than $2 at every Starbucks I've ever been in, from Manhattan to Philadelphia to Chicago to Anaheim. Few decent restaurants sell better coffee for less money per ounce. Making up cutesy mocking names and engaging in hyperbole is not debating. It's schoolyard taunting. RichC |
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