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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes better than cheap ones?)
After getting so much helpful information here http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...37aa56cf662b0c I can't wait to buy a nice bike and get on the road. Yesterday I went to the bike shop and almost bought a Marin Fairfax: http://www.marinbikes.com/bicycles_2...s_fairfax.html But after talking to the staff I got a little confused. Mainly I will ride around the city, but next year I want to go on a month-long road trip. I assumed that attaching front and rear racks and going on the road with the extra 30 kg of weight would be OK. But the shop staff told me that the bike is not suitable for this purpose. The weight would be too heavy for the carbon fork and the thin tyres. And besides I would not be able to attach a front rack. My weight is only 70 kg so I don't understand why 100 kg would be a problem for the bike. Does it mean that taller/heavier people would not be able to ride the bike even without a load? I don't really believe this point. But now I am worried that I won't find a front rack for this bike. Here are some photos of the bike which I took at the store yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/63711030@N00/ Do you think I will find a suitable front rack for regular panniers which I can attach to the bike? Do you see any problems with the extra weight or with taking the bike on a long road trip? Thank you so much for the help! Regards, Ken Aston |
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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes betterthan cheap ones?)
Ken Aston wrote:
My weight is only 70 kg so I don't understand why 100 kg would be a problem for the bike. My guess is that carbon fibre isn't strong enough for point attachments as you would need for a rack. |
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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes better than cheap ones?)
How about changing the fork shortly before going on a road trip? Would
that be practical? And the 28 spokes of the front wheel, can they carry the extra weight over such a long distance? |
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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes better than cheap ones?)
I have just bought my bike and settled on the Trek 7500. One of the main
reasons is that I am going to put on front and rear panniers and want a comfortable ride. Hopefully I will be happy with it - I rode one in store but it had discs and from what I have found out about panniers it is best to have V brakes as the racks fit easier. There is a Disc brake rack but I prefer the V. So I have to wait a few weeks before it arrives. Maiden voyage will be a 5 day bush trip west of Chillagoe Why dont you just ask the bike store? If they cant help you out with that I wouldnt buy from them as they must not know what they are talking about? Why would you be carrying 30kgs Ken? I am 72kgs and will only carry between 15 and max of 17. Where on earth are you going touring? If you were going to WA maybe you will need to carry 10lts of water but that still gives you 20kgs of other stuff! Basically wont you ride in one set of riding clothes, have a spare set in your pannier, one pair of shoes on ya feet, very basic toiletries, light tent, sleeping gear and small fuel stove? I am fairly new to long distance cycling but I gasp at 30kgs I have all the gear though as I bushwalk and I can confirm that a 13 day walk without any backup or food drops is possible with 18kgs so maybe 30 is just way too much. I would be seriously looking at you want to take. Knew someone who said they carried a dozen eggs for 2 weeks LOL, would have passed many a shop during that time huh? Good luck bike hunting, fingers crossed mine is all I hope it will be Kathy |
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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes better than cheap ones?)
On 2006-11-10, Ken Aston wrote:
After getting so much helpful information here http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...37aa56cf662b0c I can't wait to buy a nice bike and get on the road. Yesterday I went to the bike shop and almost bought a Marin Fairfax: http://www.marinbikes.com/bicycles_2...s_fairfax.html But after talking to the staff I got a little confused. Mainly I will ride around the city, but next year I want to go on a month-long road trip. I assumed that attaching front and rear racks and going on the road with the extra 30 kg of weight would be OK. But the shop staff told me that the bike is not suitable for this purpose. The weight would be too heavy for the carbon fork and the thin tyres. And besides I would not be able to attach a front rack. Probably the number of spoke in the wheels, and a carbon fork is unsuitable to attach a front rack to. I'd suggest something like a Fuji Touring or a Mongoose Randoneur for that sort of riding. IMHO carbon anything on a bike not solely used for racing is a bit pointless. Mainly because you can never tell after the sort of minor dingle any day-to-day use bike will have whether the carbon component is going to fail at the next pot-hole or not. Cheers Joel |
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Going back a few years now the Fuji world touring bike had carbon forks with the ability to attach front racks but the following year that option was not available, so they probably had fork failure and redesigned the front forks. My road bike has a low spoke count wheel, 24 to be exact and I weigh 90kg and I'm thinking of replacing that wheel with maybe 32 or 36 spoke hub and rim because it buckles fairly easily, expecially when carrying panniers, the front is ok though but there is not much weight their. So if you are carrying weight then the more spokes the better, at least thats my way of thinking. -- Dancier |
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On 11 Nov 2006 07:30:49 GMT, Joel Mayes wrote:
IMHO carbon anything on a bike not solely used for racing is a bit pointless. Mainly because you can never tell after the sort of minor dingle any day-to-day use bike will have whether the carbon component is going to fail at the next pot-hole or not. The only parts on my carbon frame/stem/cranks bike which have ever been damaged by potholes were two back wheels, which contained no carbon at all. I've ridden it nearly ever day for over two years, although it's not my utility bike, and it's done over 32,000km. -- Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw |
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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes better than cheap ones?)
On 2006-11-10, Ken Aston (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: My weight is only 70 kg so I don't understand why 100 kg would be a problem for the bike. Does it mean that taller/heavier people would not be able to ride the bike even without a load? I don't really believe this point. But now I am worried that I won't find a front rack for this bike. Here are some photos of the bike which I took at the store yesterday: Think of the weight attached to the bike as unsprung mass. Each time you hit a bump without the 30kg of panniers on the bike, there's 10kg of bike that has to be jolted around -- hopefully the 70kg of "you" has positioned yourself so that you don't get jolted also (although you do act as a bit of a spring). When there is 30kg attached to the bike, you now have 40kg being jolted over every little bump. That's got to be stressful on carbon forks. -- TimC Memory fault -- core...uh...um...core... Oh dammit, I forget! |
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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes better than cheap ones?)
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:10:44 +1100, Dancier
wrote: Going back a few years now the Fuji world touring bike had carbon forks with the ability to attach front racks but the following year that option was not available, so they probably had fork failure and redesigned the front forks. My road bike has a low spoke count wheel, 24 to be exact and I weigh 90kg and I'm thinking of replacing that wheel with maybe 32 or 36 spoke hub and rim because it buckles fairly easily, expecially when carrying panniers, the front is ok though but there is not much weight their. So if you are carrying weight then the more spokes the better, at least thats my way of thinking. Nice, I shall add spoke count to my list of things to check when I purchase a bike. |
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Another newbie question... (was: Why are expensive bikes better than cheap ones?)
The Real Andy wrote:
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:10:44 +1100, Dancier wrote: Going back a few years now the Fuji world touring bike had carbon forks with the ability to attach front racks but the following year that option was not available, so they probably had fork failure and redesigned the front forks. My road bike has a low spoke count wheel, 24 to be exact and I weigh 90kg and I'm thinking of replacing that wheel with maybe 32 or 36 spoke hub and rim because it buckles fairly easily, expecially when carrying panniers, the front is ok though but there is not much weight their. So if you are carrying weight then the more spokes the better, at least thats my way of thinking. Nice, I shall add spoke count to my list of things to check when I purchase a bike. I always carry spare spokes, even with 32 spoke wheels. Today I tested out the new gear ratios on my bike by riding from Duncraig up to Kalamunda, and one of the 32 spoke wheels managed to break a spoke when hitting a pothole in the foothill region near Koongamia. The total weight (rider + bike + backpack) would have been less than 90 kg. It was a rear spoke that broke, but fortunately it was the non-drive side, which made changing the spoke very easy. BTW, for anyone in Perth, riding up Zig-Zag to Kalamunda is very pleasant, and of course the views are great. Cheers, Vince |
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