Sturdy mountain bike tail light?

Joerg wrote:
Duane wrote:
Lou Holtman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:10:25 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:44:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://goo.gl/614eKH
.........................
MOVING AWAY FROM our taillight a rapid fire 5
http://www.cateye.com/en/products/category/4/
there are police/emergency strobes with red lenses for $50 up..larger sized.


But it all looks like plastic. I don't want plastic anymore, it doesn't

hold up when going offroad where my MTB spends at least 90% of its time.



Needs to be aluminum or steel. Maybe I really have to build my own or

use a motorcycle tail light. But even with those I'll have to build the

innards myself because those are for 12V.



--

Regards, Joerg



http://www.analogconsultants.com/
What makes you think after a sample size of 1 that a well designed
plastic mount doesn't hold up off road? There are a lot of them in your car for instance.



Maybe Jazooli lights. I know they make a headlight that is metal. Not
sure about tail lights.


http://www.jazooli.com/outdoor-leisu...LTRA-0013.aspx

Looks like the holder is plastic. That's what usually breaks. It has to
be metal just like it is for brake levers. Heck, even my not so
safety-critical bottle holder with handlebar mount is solid metal. All
of it, and it wasn't even expensive, around $10. That has withstood
several "adverse events" and all I had to do is bend it in shape again
and re-tighten the bolts.


Then maybe Andrew's suggestion makes sense. Go the other way.

http://www.knog.com.au/gear-lights/frog-strobe.phps
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duane

Duane wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Duane wrote:
Lou Holtman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:10:25 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:44:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
http://goo.gl/614eKH
.........................
MOVING AWAY FROM our taillight a rapid fire 5
http://www.cateye.com/en/products/category/4/
there are police/emergency strobes with red lenses for $50 up..larger sized.

But it all looks like plastic. I don't want plastic anymore, it doesn't

hold up when going offroad where my MTB spends at least 90% of its time.



Needs to be aluminum or steel. Maybe I really have to build my own or

use a motorcycle tail light. But even with those I'll have to build the

innards myself because those are for 12V.



--

Regards, Joerg



http://www.analogconsultants.com/
What makes you think after a sample size of 1 that a well designed
plastic mount doesn't hold up off road? There are a lot of them in your car for instance.


Maybe Jazooli lights. I know they make a headlight that is metal. Not
sure about tail lights.

http://www.jazooli.com/outdoor-leisu...LTRA-0013.aspx

Looks like the holder is plastic. That's what usually breaks. It has to
be metal just like it is for brake levers. Heck, even my not so
safety-critical bottle holder with handlebar mount is solid metal. All
of it, and it wasn't even expensive, around $10. That has withstood
several "adverse events" and all I had to do is bend it in shape again
and re-tighten the bolts.


Then maybe Andrew's suggestion makes sense. Go the other way.

http://www.knog.com.au/gear-lights/frog-strobe.phps


That'll tear right off at the first hard scrape through some bush. I'd
like the lamp to still be there when I emerge at the other end.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Monday, June 23, 2014 7:00:37 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Folks,



My tail light just flew off, gone. The plastic holder snapped off. It

probably vibrated through. I usually ride on very rough turf so it has

to be sturdy. All the lights I've looked at so far have these flimsy

plastic holders.



Is there any reasonably priced LED tail light that comes in a metal

enclosure and most of all with a metal seat post clamp like they did in

the good old days? Something with the sturdines of a hydraulic brake

handle mount.



The main purpose is not night riding but to be seen during the day when

I have to use roads. Yesterday my MTB buddy was almost hit by a car so

this is really important. Brighter = better. I also like to leave it on

flash mode if going alone on gnarly trails so rescuers can find me

should I ever turf it real bad.



--

Regards, Joerg



http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Perhaps buy a quality rear light and reinforce the clamp with a thin strip of metal? Small strips or sheets of aluminium can be bought at hobby stores.

I've made permanent mounts for tail lights aned bolted the aluminum mount I made directly to the rear of my MTB or touring bike.

Cheers

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:52:40 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
Lou Holtman wrote:

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:10:25 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:

wrote:



On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:44:23 AM UTC-4,

wrote:

http://goo.gl/614eKH

......................... MOVING AWAY FROM our taillight a rapid

fire 5 http://www.cateye.com/en/products/category/4/ there are

police/emergency strobes with red lenses for $50 up..larger

sized.





But it all looks like plastic. I don't want plastic anymore, it

doesn't



hold up when going offroad where my MTB spends at least 90% of its

time.







Needs to be aluminum or steel. Maybe I really have to build my own

or



use a motorcycle tail light. But even with those I'll have to build

the



innards myself because those are for 12V.







--



Regards, Joerg







http://www.analogconsultants.com/



What makes you think after a sample size of 1 that a well designed

plastic mount doesn't hold up off road? There are a lot of them in

your car for instance.





I ride bicycles pretty much since I was a kid, so more than four

decades. Always a lot of offroad. _Lots_ of stuff broke and that was

usually all the plastic things. For example, the only front lights that

never ever failed even in crashes were the roundish steel head lamps

with a steel mount (that steel mount is super important). Same for the

metal tail lights I had. Can't get that stuff for LED products. So

people start to build their own stuff now. Example from a guy in a

German bicycle NG:



http://tandem-fahren.de/Mitglieder/F...ED/Frl.Schick/



Look at the handlebar mount. It is plastic. I have one myself. I 'designed' a new mount for my front light:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1010765...Hmw7TbzPmCmgE#


Why is it that you can still buy such sturdy products for cars and

motorcycles but you can't for bicycles? My impression is that the

bicycle accessory industry is asleep at the wheel.


No, because people want cheap and light.

Lou

Lou Holtman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:52:40 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
Lou Holtman wrote:

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:10:25 PM UTC+2, Joerg wrote:
wrote:
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 6:44:23 AM UTC-4,
wrote:
http://goo.gl/614eKH
......................... MOVING AWAY FROM our taillight a
rapid fire 5 http://www.cateye.com/en/products/category/4/
there are police/emergency strobes with red lenses for $50
up..larger sized.
But it all looks like plastic. I don't want plastic anymore, it
doesn't hold up when going offroad where my MTB spends at
least 90% of its time. Needs to be aluminum or steel. Maybe I
really have to build my own or use a motorcycle tail light. But
even with those I'll have to build the innards myself because
those are for 12V. -- Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
What makes you think after a sample size of 1 that a well
designed plastic mount doesn't hold up off road? There are a lot
of them in your car for instance.


I ride bicycles pretty much since I was a kid, so more than four

decades. Always a lot of offroad. _Lots_ of stuff broke and that
was

usually all the plastic things. For example, the only front lights
that

never ever failed even in crashes were the roundish steel head
lamps

with a steel mount (that steel mount is super important). Same for
the

metal tail lights I had. Can't get that stuff for LED products. So

people start to build their own stuff now. Example from a guy in a

German bicycle NG:



http://tandem-fahren.de/Mitglieder/F...ED/Frl.Schick/



Look at the handlebar mount. It is plastic.


Yep, that is a flaw and I'd make that aluminum.


... I have one myself. I
'designed' a new mount for my front light:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1010765...Hmw7TbzPmCmgE#


Nicely done. This guy mounted it out of the way but I would not want red:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/vuelta...n/photostream/



Why is it that you can still buy such sturdy products for cars and

motorcycles but you can't for bicycles? My impression is that the

bicycle accessory industry is asleep at the wheel.


No, because people want cheap and light.


Many lights aren't exactly cheap yet still it's plastic.

http://www.amazon.com/Light-Motion-1...=bicycle+light

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, June 23, 2014 7:00:37 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Folks,



My tail light just flew off, gone. The plastic holder snapped off.
It

probably vibrated through. I usually ride on very rough turf so it
has

to be sturdy. All the lights I've looked at so far have these
flimsy

plastic holders.



Is there any reasonably priced LED tail light that comes in a metal


enclosure and most of all with a metal seat post clamp like they
did in

the good old days? Something with the sturdines of a hydraulic
brake

handle mount.



The main purpose is not night riding but to be seen during the day
when

I have to use roads. Yesterday my MTB buddy was almost hit by a car
so

this is really important. Brighter = better. I also like to leave
it on

flash mode if going alone on gnarly trails so rescuers can find me

should I ever turf it real bad.



--

Regards, Joerg



http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Perhaps buy a quality rear light and reinforce the clamp with a thin
strip of metal? Small strips or sheets of aluminium can be bought at
hobby stores.


Oh, I have the material. I just don't enjoy metalwork in a hot garage
much and I'd rather be sitting on my MTB roaring along some trail.


I've made permanent mounts for tail lights aned bolted the aluminum
mount I made directly to the rear of my MTB or touring bike.


If I don't find anything else that's what I'll have to do. Grudgingly :-)

My dream (when I retire, some day ...) is a box somewhere in the
otherwise unused lower frame triangle right above the BB that contains a
LiIon battery set, some electronics, maybe tools as well. Then a
locomotive-strength front light at the bottom of the steerer tube (the
inside of which is vacant unused space) and a tail light right under the
seat. Then a micro controller in the box and a military-grade control
switch for front/back/blink.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:04:27 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:

On Monday, June 23, 2014 7:00:37 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:

Folks,







My tail light just flew off, gone. The plastic holder snapped off.

It



probably vibrated through. I usually ride on very rough turf so it

has



to be sturdy. All the lights I've looked at so far have these

flimsy



plastic holders.







Is there any reasonably priced LED tail light that comes in a metal





enclosure and most of all with a metal seat post clamp like they

did in



the good old days? Something with the sturdines of a hydraulic

brake



handle mount.







The main purpose is not night riding but to be seen during the day

when



I have to use roads. Yesterday my MTB buddy was almost hit by a car

so



this is really important. Brighter = better. I also like to leave

it on



flash mode if going alone on gnarly trails so rescuers can find me



should I ever turf it real bad.







--



Regards, Joerg







http://www.analogconsultants.com/



Perhaps buy a quality rear light and reinforce the clamp with a thin

strip of metal? Small strips or sheets of aluminium can be bought at

hobby stores.





Oh, I have the material. I just don't enjoy metalwork in a hot garage

much and I'd rather be sitting on my MTB roaring along some trail.





I've made permanent mounts for tail lights aned bolted the aluminum

mount I made directly to the rear of my MTB or touring bike.





If I don't find anything else that's what I'll have to do. Grudgingly :-)



My dream (when I retire, some day ...) is a box somewhere in the

otherwise unused lower frame triangle right above the BB that contains a

LiIon battery set, some electronics, maybe tools as well. Then a

locomotive-strength front light at the bottom of the steerer tube (the

inside of which is vacant unused space) and a tail light right under the

seat. Then a micro controller in the box and a military-grade control

switch for front/back/blink.



--

Regards, Joerg



http://www.analogconsultants.com/

To reinforce or make a mount from metal that's on hand is a very short amount of time needed project. Mark everything that you need to cut whilst you are still in the house, cut the metal in the garage and then bend/assemble it in the house. Shouldn't take more than a couple of hours max to do the entire project.

Cheers

On 24/06/14 09:00, Joerg wrote:
Folks,

My tail light just flew off, gone. The plastic holder snapped off. It
probably vibrated through. I usually ride on very rough turf so it has
to be sturdy. All the lights I've looked at so far have these flimsy
plastic holders.

Is there any reasonably priced LED tail light that comes in a metal
enclosure and most of all with a metal seat post clamp like they did in
the good old days? Something with the sturdines of a hydraulic brake
handle mount.

The main purpose is not night riding but to be seen during the day when
I have to use roads. Yesterday my MTB buddy was almost hit by a car so
this is really important. Brighter = better. I also like to leave it on
flash mode if going alone on gnarly trails so rescuers can find me
should I ever turf it real bad.


This looks like a metal mount.

http://supernova-lights.com/en/produ...il_light2.html

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JS

http://goo.gl/A3fyuh

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:12:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
http://goo.gl/A3fyuh

http://goo.gl/A3fyuh