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Old October 8th 08, 08:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tom Crispin
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Child cyclist fatalities in London:
2001 - 4
2002 - 4
2003 - 3
2004 - 1
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 Jan - Mar - 0

There has never been a safer time to be a child cyclist in the
Capital.

All cyclist fatalities in London
1994 to 1998 average - 14.8
2001 - 21
2002 - 20
2003 - 19
2004 - 8
2005 - 21
2006 - 19
2007 - 15
12 months to March 2008 - 13
2003 to 2007 average - 16.4

The 5 year average (1994 - 1998 and 2003 - 2007) fatality rate has
risen by 10%. However, in that time there has been a doubling of
cycling in the capital. That implies a substantial fall in cycling
fatalities per mile and per journey.

Cycling fatalities are the most accurate measure of cyclist safety.
There can be little doubt about what constitutes a cyclist fatality,
but the cause of non-fatal injuries are not so rigorously recorded.

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Old October 8th 08, 08:28 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Jeremy Parker
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"Tom Crispin" wrote in
message ...
Child cyclist fatalities in London:
2001 - 4
2002 - 4
2003 - 3
2004 - 1
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 Jan - Mar - 0

There has never been a safer time to be a child cyclist in the
Capital.


[snip]

If there are no child cyclists, there will be no child cyclist
fatalities, but the question of the safety of child cyclists will
have become meaningless

Jeremy Parker


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Old October 8th 08, 09:17 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Matt B
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Tom Crispin wrote:
Child cyclist fatalities in London:
2001 - 4
2002 - 4
2003 - 3
2004 - 1
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 Jan - Mar - 0

There has never been a safer time to be a child cyclist in the
Capital.


Do you have any evidence to support that assertion?

Hint: The statistically insignificant figures above don't prove anything.

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Old October 8th 08, 09:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Tom Crispin" wrote in message
...
Child cyclist fatalities in London:
2001 - 4
2002 - 4
2003 - 3
2004 - 1
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 Jan - Mar - 0

There has never been a safer time to be a child cyclist in the
Capital.


total crap. If you check up, I think you will find 1934 was far safer


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Old October 8th 08, 10:44 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Paul Luton[_2_]
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Tom Crispin wrote:
Child cyclist fatalities in London:
2001 - 4
2002 - 4
2003 - 3
2004 - 1
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 Jan - Mar - 0

There has never been a safer time to be a child cyclist in the
Capital.

All cyclist fatalities in London
1994 to 1998 average - 14.8
2001 - 21
2002 - 20
2003 - 19
2004 - 8
2005 - 21
2006 - 19
2007 - 15
12 months to March 2008 - 13
2003 to 2007 average - 16.4

The 5 year average (1994 - 1998 and 2003 - 2007) fatality rate has
risen by 10%. However, in that time there has been a doubling of
cycling in the capital. That implies a substantial fall in cycling
fatalities per mile and per journey.

Cycling fatalities are the most accurate measure of cyclist safety.
There can be little doubt about what constitutes a cyclist fatality,
but the cause of non-fatal injuries are not so rigorously recorded.


Hmm - the problem is that the numbers are thankfully low so noise can
overwhelm the signal. I would prefer to consider KSI.

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Old October 8th 08, 11:04 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jd
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Default Child cyclist fatalities in London

On Oct 8, 8:09*pm, Tom Crispin
wrote:
Child cyclist fatalities in London:
2001 - 4
2002 - 4
2003 - 3
2004 - 1
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 Jan - Mar - 0

There has never been a safer time to be a child cyclist in the
Capital.

All cyclist fatalities in London
1994 to 1998 average - 14.8
2001 - 21
2002 - 20
2003 - 19
2004 - 8
2005 - 21
2006 - 19
2007 - 15
12 months to March 2008 - 13
2003 to 2007 average - 16.4


Aren't these figures somewhat meaningless without knowing the total
number of cyclists (child or otherwise) using the roads? For example,
it's possible that in 2001 there were 1000 cyclists in London of which
21 were killed (2.1%) while in 2007 there were only 500 cyclists in
London of which 15 individuals were killed (3%). Now, obviously those
figures are entirely made up, but the point that these figures are
largely useless without knowing the total number of cyclists remains.
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Old October 9th 08, 12:36 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Child cyclist fatalities in London

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT), jd wrote:

All cyclist fatalities in London
1994 to 1998 average - 14.8
2001 - 21
2002 - 20
2003 - 19
2004 - 8
2005 - 21
2006 - 19
2007 - 15
12 months to March 2008 - 13
2003 to 2007 average - 16.4


Aren't these figures somewhat meaningless without knowing the total
number of cyclists (child or otherwise) using the roads? For example,
it's possible that in 2001 there were 1000 cyclists in London of which
21 were killed (2.1%) while in 2007 there were only 500 cyclists in
London of which 15 individuals were killed (3%). Now, obviously those
figures are entirely made up, but the point that these figures are
largely useless without knowing the total number of cyclists remains.


Perhaps you missed this bit of the post to which you replied:

"However, in that time there has been a doubling of cycling in the
capital."
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Old October 9th 08, 09:48 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Child cyclist fatalities in London

jd wrote:
Aren't these figures somewhat meaningless without knowing the total
number of cyclists (child or otherwise) using the roads?


One can always pick and choose.

total deaths
deaths per cyclist
deaths per mile
deaths per journey

pick the one you like.

BugBear
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Old October 9th 08, 09:56 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ekul Namsob
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Default Child cyclist fatalities in London

_ wrote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT), jd wrote:


Aren't these figures somewhat meaningless without knowing the total
number of cyclists (child or otherwise) using the roads? For example,
it's possible that in 2001 there were 1000 cyclists in London of which
21 were killed (2.1%) while in 2007 there were only 500 cyclists in
London of which 15 individuals were killed (3%). Now, obviously those
figures are entirely made up, but the point that these figures are
largely useless without knowing the total number of cyclists remains.


Perhaps you missed this bit of the post to which you replied:

"However, in that time there has been a doubling of cycling in the
capital."


How many of these new cyclists were children?

Cheers,
Luke


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Old October 9th 08, 12:59 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
judith
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Default Child cyclist fatalities in London

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:04:26 -0700 (PDT), jd
wrote:

On Oct 8, 8:09*pm, Tom Crispin
wrote:
Child cyclist fatalities in London:
2001 - 4
2002 - 4
2003 - 3
2004 - 1
2005 - 0
2006 - 0
2007 - 0
2008 Jan - Mar - 0

There has never been a safer time to be a child cyclist in the
Capital.

All cyclist fatalities in London
1994 to 1998 average - 14.8
2001 - 21
2002 - 20
2003 - 19
2004 - 8
2005 - 21
2006 - 19
2007 - 15
12 months to March 2008 - 13
2003 to 2007 average - 16.4


Aren't these figures somewhat meaningless without knowing the total
number of cyclists (child or otherwise) using the roads? For example,
it's possible that in 2001 there were 1000 cyclists in London of which
21 were killed (2.1%) while in 2007 there were only 500 cyclists in
London of which 15 individuals were killed (3%). Now, obviously those
figures are entirely made up, but the point that these figures are
largely useless without knowing the total number of cyclists remains.


Exactly

National figures show that over the last 10 years, the average
distance traveled by a child has increased by about 15% with an:

increase in walking (5%)
an increase in traveling by bus (7%)
and an increase in traveling by car (16%).

BUT cycling by children has decreased by 18% - no surprise that the
numbers killed as fallen then!!!!





 




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