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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
On 12/9/2010 10:20 PM, James Steward wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 12/9/2010 8:27 PM, Michael Press wrote: If trikes/bents are so much more comfortable why are the roads not flooded with them? If you really want one you can buy one. Why don't people do that? You can blame only yourself. Most people prefer to resemble Eddy Merckx; rather than resembling a circus clown. Indeed, many are too weak to resist peer pressure. Or clever enough to realise what's better. Yes, most are not clever enough to realize most have it wrong. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 12/9/2010 10:20 PM, James Steward wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 12/9/2010 8:27 PM, Michael Press wrote: If trikes/bents are so much more comfortable why are the roads not flooded with them? If you really want one you can buy one. Why don't people do that? You can blame only yourself. Most people prefer to resemble Eddy Merckx; rather than resembling a circus clown. Indeed, many are too weak to resist peer pressure. Or clever enough to realise what's better. Yes, most are not clever enough to realize most have it wrong. Is there a right or wrong answer? We are all individuals. We all have to work it out for ourselves. JS. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
The Electra Townie is a crank-forward design, and not a traditional upright geometry bicycle: http://coolmaterial.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/electra-townie-bike.jpg. TUCNR. (To Ugly, Could Not Ride). JS. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
Michael Press wrote:
In article , James wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 12/9/2010 10:20 PM, James Steward wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 12/9/2010 8:27 PM, Michael Press wrote: If trikes/bents are so much more comfortable why are the roads not flooded with them? If you really want one you can buy one. Why don't people do that? You can blame only yourself. Most people prefer to resemble Eddy Merckx; rather than resembling a circus clown. Indeed, many are too weak to resist peer pressure. Or clever enough to realise what's better. Yes, most are not clever enough to realize most have it wrong. Is there a right or wrong answer? We are all individuals. _I'm_ not. Really? How do you know? We all have to work it out for ourselves. Tell me how to work it out for myself. Oh, I don't know that. Whaaaaa. JS. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
On 12/9/2010 10:56 PM, James Steward wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: The Electra Townie is a crank-forward design, and not a traditional upright geometry bicycle: http://coolmaterial.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/electra-townie-bike.jpg. TUCNR. (To Ugly, Could Not Ride). That could also be said about any compact geometry bike. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
On 12/9/2010 10:55 PM, James Steward wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 12/9/2010 10:20 PM, James Steward wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 12/9/2010 8:27 PM, Michael Press wrote: If trikes/bents are so much more comfortable why are the roads not flooded with them? If you really want one you can buy one. Why don't people do that? You can blame only yourself. Most people prefer to resemble Eddy Merckx; rather than resembling a circus clown. Indeed, many are too weak to resist peer pressure. Or clever enough to realise what's better. Yes, most are not clever enough to realize most have it wrong. Is there a right or wrong answer? We are all individuals. We all have to work it out for ourselves. Always correct, I am. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 12/9/2010 10:56 PM, James Steward wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: The Electra Townie is a crank-forward design, and not a traditional upright geometry bicycle: http://coolmaterial.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/electra-townie-bike.jpg. TUCNR. (To Ugly, Could Not Ride). That could also be said about any compact geometry bike. I don't ride one of them either ;-) JS. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
On 9 dec, 23:19, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: On 12/9/2010 4:15 PM, Lou Holtman wrote: Op 9-12-2010 22:41, T m Sherm n _ schreef: On 12/9/2010 1:37 PM, Duane H bert wrote: On 12/9/2010 2:19 PM, Doc O'Leary wrote: In , Tºm Shermªn™ " wrote: Well, I have been in exactly one (1) LBS in the US where they both have fully equipped commuter bicycles for sale on the shop floor and would not act with at least some disdain when inquired about them. Again, and? I even noted that many bike shops in the US are poorly run, but you can probably look at the culture they exist in to see why. I mean, who do you think they *expect* to be coming in looking for a comfort bike? Someone with a lot of cash to spend now and in the future, or someone who is just looking to "try out" biking by buying the lowest-margin thing they can find and then stick it in the back of the garage after 1 month? You can't run a business supplying comfort bikes if the demand just isn't there. If the industry had half a clue they'd be taking more long-term steps to shift the balance over by fitting cycling in with the existing culture. Instead, they're doing short-term targeting of the existing high-end recreational market. What do you actually mean by comfort bikes? Bents? Touring? Something else? The bikes that would be really comfortable to the newbie are crank-forward (CF) uprights and recumbents. The CF upright is certainly an easier sell. Why is that? I find bikes with a slack seattube angle uncomfortable. I had some trouble to find a commuter that did not have a slack seattube angle like the so called comfort bikes here in the Netherlands. Lou With a slack enough angle, a real seat [1] instead of a saddle with high pressure points can be used. Why is that? A saddle/seat is very personal. A slack seat angle doesn't change that. *The slack angle also takes all the pressure off the rider's hands. Is that the problem? If all the pressure is off your hands all the pressure is on your butt. The right saddle/seat choice is even more important in that case. With crank forward designs you push yourself into the seat while pedalling, increasing the pressure even more. Why is that more comfortable? [1] http://www.ransbikes.com/Zenetik09/Enlarge09.html I really don't get these bikes. Lou |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
On 12/9/2010 4:41 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 12/9/2010 1:37 PM, Duane Hébert wrote: What do you actually mean by comfort bikes? Bents? Touring? Something else? The bikes that would be really comfortable to the newbie are crank-forward (CF) uprights and recumbents. The CF upright is certainly an easier sell. Ah. Not sure if I agree with that. Most of us started riding uprights as kids and kept with that style. CF looks odd to me as if my center of gravity would be skewed. Just an observer's opinion though as I've never tried one. But I find my Bianchi Volpe and my Specialized Tarmac both pretty comfortable. The Bianchi slightly more so for rides over 140k or so but neither is very bad. I think that it's what you're used to. |
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Insular roadie rubbish about seats/saddles
On 12/9/2010 10:41 PM, Chalo wrote:
Duane Hébert wrote: Doc O'Leary wrote: You can't run a business supplying comfort bikes if the demand just isn't there. If the industry had half a clue they'd be taking more long-term steps to shift the balance over by fitting cycling in with the existing culture. Instead, they're doing short-term targeting of the existing high-end recreational market. What do you actually mean by comfort bikes? Bents? Touring? Something else? The bicycle industry defines "comfort bikes" as MTB-derived bikes with steeply sloping top tubes, rudimentary suspension forks and seatposts, and high adjustable stems with riser bars. Oddly, most of these bikes also have steep seat angles, making for a uniquely impotent rider position. http://www.chicagobikeblog.com/2007/...ort-bikes.html Yikes. My ass hurts just looking at that. Most of the people who buy typical comfort bikes don't ride them very much, from what I can tell. The Electra Townie is an exception, in my neck of the woods anyway, with noticeable representation among daily transportational riders. One of my friends has a Giant hybrid with the shocks and "comfy seat" that he swears by. He's always chortling about how roadies don't understand comfort. Then after 100k or so, he's complaining about his sore ass, bitching about the wind and generally having a miserable time. I've offered to let him try my touring bike but he tells me he's into more comfortable rides. Go figure. Sitting straight up, catching the wind directly in my chest with all of my weight on my ass and the wide saddle chafing my thighs doesn't sound like my idea of comfort. |
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