Parking Fine

This little gem was posted on uk.legal.moderated. Is anyone familiar
with this particular road?

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
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In message , Ian Henden
writes

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
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In message , IanAl
writes



Bicycle racks are for bicycles not for motorised transport. (We

cyclists

had to campaign to get such facilities!)


Cyclists also campagned for safer routes. So we gave you cycle paths.

Pity

not all of you use them.


insert grateful prostrations here

Many cycle facilities unfortunately are designed so badly that they
create more danger - the Blackfriars Bridge lane for instance - see
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1222797,00.html

If I were to use the cycle path nearest to my home I would lose the
right of way at every side turning - making for painfully slow and
frankly dangerous progress.


Not familiar with that cycle path, but there is an excellent one ascending
Otterbourne Hill between Winchester and Chandlers Ford.

New surface.
Segregated from highway by stout wooden fence.
No side turnings
The highway itself has been traffic-enraged with the installation of
unnecessary islands, and being narrowed, with chicanes (downhill side), to
facilitate the construction of the cycle path

The path is MUCH safer, MUCH smoother, MUCH wider than the space available
to them on the roadway if a car is overtaking them there, and NO longer than
going up the roadway

And STILL the lycra-clad louts pedal up the hill, on the roadway, wobbling
all over the place, obstructing other road users.

There is insufficient distance for a heavy vehicle labouring up the hill to
overtake a cyclist on the roadway, between islands. But the cyclist
shouldn't be there anyway ....

It is "cycling without due consideration for other road users" - and ought
to be an offence.

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 21:02:02 +0000 (UTC), Ricardo
wrote:

This little gem was posted on uk.legal.moderated. Is anyone familiar
with this particular road?

You can read about it he

http://www.hants.gov.uk/environment/...terbourne.html

Never cycled on it myself but have been on that road as a car
passenger.

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
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Not familiar with that cycle path, but there is an excellent one ascending
Otterbourne Hill between Winchester and Chandlers Ford.

New surface.

For now. This is the figure set aside by HCC annually for the sweeping
and gritting of off-road cycle lanes: £0.00.

That's reason enough for me not to use it.

Segregated from highway by stout wooden fence.

From a cyclist's POV, this is not the Good Thing that you seem to
think.

No side turnings

I think you'll find there are.

The highway itself has been traffic-enraged with the installation of
unnecessary islands, and being narrowed, with chicanes (downhill side), to
facilitate the construction of the cycle path

And the result is that on the narrower lanes, a cyclist is much more
able to 'take the lane' and prevent motorists from overtaking
unsafely.

The path is MUCH safer, MUCH smoother, MUCH wider than the space available
to them on the roadway if a car is overtaking them there, and NO longer than
going up the roadway

And STILL the lycra-clad louts pedal up the hill, on the roadway, wobbling
all over the place, obstructing other road users.

Just how much road delay is caused by cyclists? Congestion caused by
cars is the problem round South Hampshire way, I think you'll find.

There is insufficient distance for a heavy vehicle labouring up the hill to
overtake a cyclist on the roadway, between islands. But the cyclist
shouldn't be there anyway ....

This has been well discussed; a cyclist has every right to be on the
public highway. Just as cars have no obligation to use a motorway
where one is provided at great expense.

It is "cycling without due consideration for other road users" - and ought
to be an offence.

Well, it isn't. If you mean "due consideration for maximum speed" it
never will be.


Ah. Cobblers. Just noticed this isn't cross posted back to where it
came from. I'll let the OP take the argument up over there, then.

Yup - I've followed it up. There was another "gem" after it which was so
laughable I decided to leave it - the author did more for the cycling cause
by appearing such an anti-cycling twit than any rational comments from me
could ever do!

Huw Francis

"Ricardo" wrote in message
...
This little gem was posted on uk.legal.moderated. Is anyone familiar
with this particular road?

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in message
...

In message , Ian Henden
writes

"dave @ stejonda" wrote in
message
...

In message , IanAl
writes



Bicycle racks are for bicycles not for motorised transport. (We

cyclists

had to campaign to get such facilities!)


Cyclists also campagned for safer routes. So we gave you cycle
paths.

Pity

not all of you use them.


insert grateful prostrations here

Many cycle facilities unfortunately are designed so badly that they
create more danger - the Blackfriars Bridge lane for instance - see
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1222797,00.html

If I were to use the cycle path nearest to my home I would lose the
right of way at every side turning - making for painfully slow and
frankly dangerous progress.


Not familiar with that cycle path, but there is an excellent one ascending
Otterbourne Hill between Winchester and Chandlers Ford.

New surface.
Segregated from highway by stout wooden fence.
No side turnings
The highway itself has been traffic-enraged with the installation of
unnecessary islands, and being narrowed, with chicanes (downhill side),
to
facilitate the construction of the cycle path

The path is MUCH safer, MUCH smoother, MUCH wider than the space available
to them on the roadway if a car is overtaking them there, and NO longer
than
going up the roadway

And STILL the lycra-clad louts pedal up the hill, on the roadway, wobbling
all over the place, obstructing other road users.

There is insufficient distance for a heavy vehicle labouring up the hill
to
overtake a cyclist on the roadway, between islands. But the cyclist
shouldn't be there anyway ....

It is "cycling without due consideration for other road users" - and ought
to be an offence.

Ricardo wrote:

Not familiar with that cycle path, but there is an excellent one ascending
Otterbourne Hill between Winchester and Chandlers Ford.

New surface.
Segregated from highway by stout wooden fence.
No side turnings
The highway itself has been traffic-enraged with the installation of
unnecessary islands, and being narrowed, with chicanes (downhill side), to
facilitate the construction of the cycle path

The path is MUCH safer, MUCH smoother, MUCH wider than the space available
to them on the roadway if a car is overtaking them there, and NO longer
than
going up the roadway

And STILL the lycra-clad louts pedal up the hill, on the roadway, wobbling
all over the place, obstructing other road users.

There is insufficient distance for a heavy vehicle labouring up the hill to
overtake a cyclist on the roadway, between islands. But the cyclist
shouldn't be there anyway ....

It is "cycling without due consideration for other road users" - and ought
to be an offence.

parody
I'm familiar with that road. Alongside it is an excellent motorway (the
M3) built exclusively for motor vehicles.

And STILL the carnage on wheels mob insist on driving on that road
trying to overtake where there isn't room and harassing other road
users. But they shouldn't be there anyway.....

Its driving without due consideration for road users and ought to be an
offence. Ban them to their exclusive motorway ghettos I say.
/parody

Tony