Unintended consequences

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:31:12 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/

There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether intended,
unintended, or simply not understood.

The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was best for
themselves economically. They didn't want immigrants from Eastern
European EU countries to continue coming in. Of course that will have
negative effects on industries that depended on those workers, just as
we've seen the negative effects in the U.S. in certain industries
(dairies, meat processing, fruit and vegetable harvesting).

Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the pound's value has
plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less expensive.
The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged against the USD or the Euro. Am I missing something?

I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the price of Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the Harmonized Tariff Schedule to see if we're punishing the UK for anything or attempting to protect the vast US leather saddle manufacturing industry. I also need to review the administration's recently negotiated, bigly America is Great and England Lost the War of Independence International Leather Bicycle Saddle Compact and Trade Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks saddles may be practically free now.

I can't see Brooks or even Ideale saddles dropping in price. The Brooks I had was NOT comfortable but it may have been a touring version which I'm told doesn't work well with sports riding.

On 1/4/21 6:31 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/




There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether intended,
unintended, or simply not understood.

The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was best for
themselves economically. They didn't want immigrants from Eastern
European EU countries to continue coming in. Of course that will
have negative effects on industries that depended on those
workers, just as we've seen the negative effects in the U.S. in
certain industries (dairies, meat processing, fruit and vegetable
harvesting).

Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the pound's
value has plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less expensive.

The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged against the USD
or the Euro. Am I missing something?


https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...o=EUR&view=10Y

I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the price of
Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the Harmonized Tariff
Schedule to see if we're punishing the UK for anything or attempting
to protect the vast US leather saddle manufacturing industry. I
also need to review the administration's recently negotiated, bigly
America is Great and England Lost the War of Independence
International Leather Bicycle Saddle Compact and Trade
Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks saddles may
be practically free now.

The beeutiful Made In The USA saddles will make America Great ugely.
Can you believe we never, until, I mean, can you believe nobody made
saddles before we did with the penguins, amazing, and we are on the
point of creating a beeutiful thing called a whycycle, to go with the
bootiful saddles. I hear it will have wheels! Can you believe that?
Amazing.

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800 (PST), Mark Cleary
wrote:

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better?
Deacon Mark

Well, they are relatively expensive for a bicycle saddle, they require
"breaking in" and are extremely uncomfortable for the first, perhaps,
1,000 miles, they have to be protected from getting wet else they
stretch and being leather need frequent applications of leather
dressing which Brooks will sell you for only 17 dollars for 30 ml.

On the other hand some people feel that they are exceptionally
comfortable for long rides.

My own experience is that after riding one for a year or more I
switched to a modern "plastic" saddle that fits me just as well and is
just as comfortable as the Brooks. And was cheaper and requires
essentially no care.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800, Mark Cleary scribed:

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...t-halts-sales-
of-brooks-bicycle-saddles-made-in-england/
--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better?

This household exclusively rides Brooks saddles.
OP wait, unless I find a 'Bell', which is a long gone Australian
manufacturer that produced the same stuff/models.

On 1/4/2021 3:48 PM, Tosspot wrote:
On 1/4/21 6:31 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/





There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether
intended,
unintended, or simply not understood.

The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was
best for themselves economically. They didn't want
immigrants from Eastern European EU countries to continue
coming in. Of course that will have negative effects on
industries that depended on those
workers, just as we've seen the negative effects in the
U.S. in
certain industries (dairies, meat processing, fruit and
vegetable harvesting).

Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the
pound's
value has plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less
expensive.

The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged
against the USD or the Euro. Am I missing something?


https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...o=EUR&view=10Y

I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the
price of Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the
Harmonized Tariff Schedule to see if we're punishing the
UK for anything or attempting to protect the vast US
leather saddle manufacturing industry. I
also need to review the administration's recently
negotiated, bigly America is Great and England Lost the
War of Independence International Leather Bicycle Saddle
Compact and Trade
Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks
saddles may
be practically free now.

The beeutiful Made In The USA saddles will make America
Great ugely. Can you believe we never, until, I mean, can
you believe nobody made saddles before we did with the
penguins, amazing, and we are on the point of creating a
beeutiful thing called a whycycle, to go with the bootiful
saddles. I hear it will have wheels! Can you believe that?
Amazing.


Uh, USA does produce quality leather saddles:
https://selleanatomica.com/

This is not news, been around for 25 or more years.

As an old friend , a leatherworker, used to quip, "Leather
is cheap here because it's a byproduct of the hamburger
industry."

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/4/2021 4:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800 (PST), Mark Cleary
wrote:

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better?
Deacon Mark

Well, they are relatively expensive for a bicycle saddle, they require
"breaking in" and are extremely uncomfortable for the first, perhaps,
1,000 miles, they have to be protected from getting wet else they
stretch and being leather need frequent applications of leather
dressing which Brooks will sell you for only 17 dollars for 30 ml.

On the other hand some people feel that they are exceptionally
comfortable for long rides.

My own experience is that after riding one for a year or more I
switched to a modern "plastic" saddle that fits me just as well and is
just as comfortable as the Brooks. And was cheaper and requires
essentially no care.


I use modern (well, 1970s modern) synthetic saddles on my
bicycles but a leather saddle is arguably not different in
the areas you mention than leather shoes (cost, break-in,
avoid wet, shoe polish occasionally).

I wear leather shoes, no complaints. Other people prefer
asian made synthetic shoes with rubber soles. Whatever,
neither is 'good' nor 'bad' in itself.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 05:53:10 +0700, John B. scribed:

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 06:33:21 -0800 (PST), Mark Cleary
wrote:

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:00:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton.../brexit-halts-
sales-of-brooks-bicycle-saddles-made-in-england/
--
Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Never road a Brooks and hate the look but are they really better?
Deacon Mark

Well, they are relatively expensive for a bicycle saddle, they require
"breaking in" and are extremely uncomfortable for the first, perhaps,
1,000 miles, they have to be protected from getting wet else they
stretch and being leather need frequent applications of leather dressing
which Brooks will sell you for only 17 dollars for 30 ml.

Our Brooks have shower caps and I just use standard leather dressing/
Dubin.

On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:28:53 -0600, AMuzi scribed:

As an old friend , a leatherworker, used to quip, "Leather is cheap here
because it's a byproduct of the hamburger industry."

Hmm, not the case here, despite them advertising made from 'Australian
Beef".

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:53:19 PM UTC, John B. wrote:

My own experience is that after riding [a Brooks saddle] for a year or more I
switched to a modern "plastic" saddle ...
--
Cheers,

John B.

Yes, but we know already that you have no class.

Andre Jute
Observant

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 3:28:59 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/4/2021 3:48 PM, Tosspot wrote:
On 1/4/21 6:31 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:23:41 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/4/2021 6:00 AM, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...de-in-england/





There have been a lot of consequences from Brexit, whether
intended,
unintended, or simply not understood.

The voters of the U.K. were not voting based on what was
best for themselves economically. They didn't want
immigrants from Eastern European EU countries to continue
coming in. Of course that will have negative effects on
industries that depended on those
workers, just as we've seen the negative effects in the
U.S. in
certain industries (dairies, meat processing, fruit and
vegetable harvesting).

Brexit has also made UK exports less expensive as the
pound's
value has plunged, and it's made visiting the UK less
expensive.

The charts don't indicate that the Pound has plunged
against the USD or the Euro. Am I missing something?


https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...o=EUR&view=10Y

I'm not sure what effect if any Brexit will have on the
price of Brooks saddles in the US. I haven't checked the
Harmonized Tariff Schedule to see if we're punishing the
UK for anything or attempting to protect the vast US
leather saddle manufacturing industry. I
also need to review the administration's recently
negotiated, bigly America is Great and England Lost the
War of Independence International Leather Bicycle Saddle
Compact and Trade
Understanding. I hear we beat the UK like a dog. Brooks
saddles may
be practically free now.

The beeutiful Made In The USA saddles will make America
Great ugely. Can you believe we never, until, I mean, can
you believe nobody made saddles before we did with the
penguins, amazing, and we are on the point of creating a
beeutiful thing called a whycycle, to go with the bootiful
saddles. I hear it will have wheels! Can you believe that?
Amazing.

Uh, USA does produce quality leather saddles:
https://selleanatomica.com/

This is not news, been around for 25 or more years.

As an old friend , a leatherworker, used to quip, "Leather
is cheap here because it's a byproduct of the hamburger
industry."

Who knew! I had actually never heard of that company or seen its saddles. We should tariff the sh** out of those imported Brooks saddles! We'll make the UK pay!

BTW, that slit looks nasty. I'd be afraid of that.

-- Jay Beattie.