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On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 13:57, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:17:42 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 12:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many Germans emigrated? Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not. Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has. Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there is often a lack of willingness. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it? Me and my friends would tell them not to build any infrastructure, which means they shall also not obstruct us by roads, of course (else there is an obligation to accommodate). For a real cyclist nature provides sufficient infrastructure. This is right here in town and I use it often: http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/CoachLane1.JPG Oh, and add a beer garden 30 miles later, with salty pretzels and all :-) Case in point: The El Dorado Trail, one of my frequent routes. There isn't much infrastructure or maintenance other than by volunteers yet this is the only truly bikeable connection to Placerville. One needs to have an MTB and at least basic trail riding skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_T2c4AXaCY -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Then why in blazes do you want bigger bike racks on buses? As I wrote several times now, because there are people who'd like to come along on a ride but who do not have the endurance or trail skills to finish such a ride in time. Often I cannot leave before 11:30am but need to be back by 4:30pm. Which I can do but they can't. It is a good thing if we as more seasoned cyclists convince others to ride along. However, if their first experience is a total bonk and utter exhaustion or, worse, a nasty crash they will throw in the towel. I recently had that happen. Got carried away for a minute, the rider behind me tried to keep up and took a bad spill. Turned around to look for him and helped fix his bike. He said he is done trail-riding. Lyft or Uber, unless your local mass-transit agency is willing to put special racks on its buses so people can go trail riding. Ours is. http://www.mthoodexpress.com/ It has a bicycle trailer. https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...rline-to-town/ Top that. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2018-08-31 16:10, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 13:57, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:17:42 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 12:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many Germans emigrated? Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not. Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has. Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there is often a lack of willingness. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it? Me and my friends would tell them not to build any infrastructure, which means they shall also not obstruct us by roads, of course (else there is an obligation to accommodate). For a real cyclist nature provides sufficient infrastructure. This is right here in town and I use it often: http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/CoachLane1.JPG Oh, and add a beer garden 30 miles later, with salty pretzels and all :-) Case in point: The El Dorado Trail, one of my frequent routes. There isn't much infrastructure or maintenance other than by volunteers yet this is the only truly bikeable connection to Placerville. One needs to have an MTB and at least basic trail riding skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_T2c4AXaCY -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Then why in blazes do you want bigger bike racks on buses? As I wrote several times now, because there are people who'd like to come along on a ride but who do not have the endurance or trail skills to finish such a ride in time. Often I cannot leave before 11:30am but need to be back by 4:30pm. Which I can do but they can't. It is a good thing if we as more seasoned cyclists convince others to ride along. However, if their first experience is a total bonk and utter exhaustion or, worse, a nasty crash they will throw in the towel. I recently had that happen. Got carried away for a minute, the rider behind me tried to keep up and took a bad spill. Turned around to look for him and helped fix his bike. He said he is done trail-riding. Lyft or Uber, unless your local mass-transit agency is willing to put special racks on its buses so people can go trail riding. Ours is. http://www.mthoodexpress.com/ It has a bicycle trailer. https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...rline-to-town/ That is really nice though I am not a downhill dare devil. An MTB riding friend who is also a kayaker wants to find out if the kayak shuttles take MTB from Folsom to Lotus. On their web site they have an MTB picture so they might. That would be $10 which is a bit steep but worth it. Top that. Well, we have the Rubicon Trail. A buddy rode it twice this week on his MTB because it was so much fun. There are people flying in from Europe and Australia just to ride the Rubicon. Many foreigners have that on their bucket list. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 8/31/2018 7:10 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 13:57, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:17:42 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 12:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many Germans emigrated? Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not. Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has. Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there is often a lack of willingness. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it? Me and my friends would tell them not to build any infrastructure, which means they shall also not obstruct us by roads, of course (else there is an obligation to accommodate). For a real cyclist nature provides sufficient infrastructure. This is right here in town and I use it often: http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/CoachLane1.JPG Oh, and add a beer garden 30 miles later, with salty pretzels and all :-) Case in point: The El Dorado Trail, one of my frequent routes. There isn't much infrastructure or maintenance other than by volunteers yet this is the only truly bikeable connection to Placerville. One needs to have an MTB and at least basic trail riding skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_T2c4AXaCY -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Then why in blazes do you want bigger bike racks on buses? As I wrote several times now, because there are people who'd like to come along on a ride but who do not have the endurance or trail skills to finish such a ride in time. Often I cannot leave before 11:30am but need to be back by 4:30pm. Which I can do but they can't. It is a good thing if we as more seasoned cyclists convince others to ride along. However, if their first experience is a total bonk and utter exhaustion or, worse, a nasty crash they will throw in the towel. I recently had that happen. Got carried away for a minute, the rider behind me tried to keep up and took a bad spill. Turned around to look for him and helped fix his bike. He said he is done trail-riding. Lyft or Uber, unless your local mass-transit agency is willing to put special racks on its buses so people can go trail riding. Ours is. http://www.mthoodexpress.com/ It has a bicycle trailer. https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...rline-to-town/ Top that. I'm not trying to top, but: Cuyahoga Valley National Park (which runs along the river most of the way between Cleveland and Akron) has a historic steam train that makes daily (?) runs. https://www.cvsr.com/ It's $5 for a one-way ride, and you ride back on the crushed limestone towpath trail from the Ohio & Erie Canal that was killed by (mostly) that railroad. I've never done the "bike aboard" thing. Maybe someday I will just for fun. But to be clear, the railroad is sort of a historic amusement ride, run at a big loss by the National Park and associated organizations. Nobody expects to make a profit. And like most bike paths, fewer than 1% of its ridership is trying for practical transportation. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2018-08-31 13:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:08:32 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 1:43:38 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 10:27, jbeattie wrote: [...] Joerg also tends to think every issue is new because he just discovered it. In 1991, BTA got racks on TriMet buses, mostly due to individual efforts from our fearless leaders, Jim Ferner and Rex Burkholder, who then created an organization and a board (including me) to pursue bicycling related transportation issues. There were no Townies or giant 29ers at the time, and TriMet adopted the national standard for racks, which works for most people who use them. If Joerg wants to change things in the bustling metropolis of Cameron Park, he should do like we did 27 years ago and work for change. But then we'll hear about evil government, incompetence and intransigence. Unions! Or it will trend to a discussion of microbrewing or awesome trails and trains not going to trails, etc., etc. It always goes sideways. Nope, out transit agency is now looking into that issue. I guess they realized that this is not 27 years ago but 2018 where 27-1/2" MTB are increasing in market share, big time. People in Placerville and Cameron Park who have only one bike usually have an MTB, and that's the main operating area of this transit agency. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Yet the videos you post only show 26" wheeled MTBs. Where are those 27.5 and 29 MTBs? Everywhere. Yesterday on the singletrack Folsom-Lotus the only 26" MTBs were those of my two friends. Bikes that are more than 10 years old. One has a double-crown fork and also does not fit into the bus racks. All other riders had 27-1/2" and 29" MTBs despite the fact that part of that route is downhiller-turf. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ If 27.5 and 29ers were so common we'd expect you to post a video of them. In the videos that is almost impossible to see. Not sure if these a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1USLVraV4mU I see what I see on the trails and that's nowadays going towards 27-1/2". 29" for larger people. 26" are the hardcore downhillers and they aren't seen often on our trails except on the Darrington at Folsom Lake which has some very scary rock chutes (I walk those and even that's hard). -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:28:50 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 16:10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 13:57, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:17:42 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 12:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many Germans emigrated? Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not. Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has. Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there is often a lack of willingness. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it? Me and my friends would tell them not to build any infrastructure, which means they shall also not obstruct us by roads, of course (else there is an obligation to accommodate). For a real cyclist nature provides sufficient infrastructure. This is right here in town and I use it often: http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/CoachLane1.JPG Oh, and add a beer garden 30 miles later, with salty pretzels and all :-) Case in point: The El Dorado Trail, one of my frequent routes. There isn't much infrastructure or maintenance other than by volunteers yet this is the only truly bikeable connection to Placerville. One needs to have an MTB and at least basic trail riding skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_T2c4AXaCY -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Then why in blazes do you want bigger bike racks on buses? As I wrote several times now, because there are people who'd like to come along on a ride but who do not have the endurance or trail skills to finish such a ride in time. Often I cannot leave before 11:30am but need to be back by 4:30pm. Which I can do but they can't. It is a good thing if we as more seasoned cyclists convince others to ride along. However, if their first experience is a total bonk and utter exhaustion or, worse, a nasty crash they will throw in the towel. I recently had that happen. Got carried away for a minute, the rider behind me tried to keep up and took a bad spill. Turned around to look for him and helped fix his bike. He said he is done trail-riding. Lyft or Uber, unless your local mass-transit agency is willing to put special racks on its buses so people can go trail riding. Ours is. http://www.mthoodexpress.com/ It has a bicycle trailer. https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...rline-to-town/ That is really nice though I am not a downhill dare devil. An MTB riding friend who is also a kayaker wants to find out if the kayak shuttles take MTB from Folsom to Lotus. On their web site they have an MTB picture so they might. That would be $10 which is a bit steep but worth it. |
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Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 13:57, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:17:42 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 12:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many Germans emigrated? Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not. Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has. Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there is often a lack of willingness. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it? Me and my friends would tell them not to build any infrastructure, which means they shall also not obstruct us by roads, of course (else there is an obligation to accommodate). For a real cyclist nature provides sufficient infrastructure. This is right here in town and I use it often: http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/CoachLane1.JPG Oh, and add a beer garden 30 miles later, with salty pretzels and all :-) Case in point: The El Dorado Trail, one of my frequent routes. There isn't much infrastructure or maintenance other than by volunteers yet this is the only truly bikeable connection to Placerville. One needs to have an MTB and at least basic trail riding skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_T2c4AXaCY -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Then why in blazes do you want bigger bike racks on buses? As I wrote several times now, because there are people who'd like to come along on a ride but who do not have the endurance or trail skills to finish such a ride in time. Often I cannot leave before 11:30am but need to be back by 4:30pm. Which I can do but they can't. It is a good thing if we as more seasoned cyclists convince others to ride along. However, if their first experience is a total bonk and utter exhaustion or, worse, a nasty crash they will throw in the towel. I recently had that happen. Got carried away for a minute, the rider behind me tried to keep up and took a bad spill. Turned around to look for him and helped fix his bike. He said he is done trail-riding. Think about that for a second or two... -- duane |
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On 2018-08-31 17:03, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:28:50 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 16:10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 13:57, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:17:42 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 12:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many Germans emigrated? Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not. Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has. Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there is often a lack of willingness. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it? Me and my friends would tell them not to build any infrastructure, which means they shall also not obstruct us by roads, of course (else there is an obligation to accommodate). For a real cyclist nature provides sufficient infrastructure. This is right here in town and I use it often: http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/CoachLane1.JPG Oh, and add a beer garden 30 miles later, with salty pretzels and all :-) Case in point: The El Dorado Trail, one of my frequent routes. There isn't much infrastructure or maintenance other than by volunteers yet this is the only truly bikeable connection to Placerville. One needs to have an MTB and at least basic trail riding skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_T2c4AXaCY -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Then why in blazes do you want bigger bike racks on buses? As I wrote several times now, because there are people who'd like to come along on a ride but who do not have the endurance or trail skills to finish such a ride in time. Often I cannot leave before 11:30am but need to be back by 4:30pm. Which I can do but they can't. It is a good thing if we as more seasoned cyclists convince others to ride along. However, if their first experience is a total bonk and utter exhaustion or, worse, a nasty crash they will throw in the towel. I recently had that happen. Got carried away for a minute, the rider behind me tried to keep up and took a bad spill. Turned around to look for him and helped fix his bike. He said he is done trail-riding. Lyft or Uber, unless your local mass-transit agency is willing to put special racks on its buses so people can go trail riding. Ours is. http://www.mthoodexpress.com/ It has a bicycle trailer. https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...rline-to-town/ That is really nice though I am not a downhill dare devil. An MTB riding friend who is also a kayaker wants to find out if the kayak shuttles take MTB from Folsom to Lotus. On their web site they have an MTB picture so they might. That would be $10 which is a bit steep but worth it. Top that. Well, we have the Rubicon Trail. A buddy rode it twice this week on his MTB because it was so much fun. There are people flying in from Europe and Australia just to ride the Rubicon. Many foreigners have that on their bucket list. Can you get to the Rubicon Trail for $2 in a city bus with your mondo 29er in a trailer? Does the Rubicon Trail have a classic WPA lodge? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timberline_Lodge You can have a world-class dinner, a bunch of drinks and spend the night. Hang out next to the fire place: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/me...dge-center.jpg (my wife and I always sit right there). We don't need fancy-schmantzy, on lonely trails way out in nature I sometimes bring home-made IPA which can be enjoyed out in the open. Brewpubs? https://mthoodbrewing.com/ Looks a bit sterile to me for a brewpub. Some of my other "gas stations" on bike trips: https://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...9w_jW32g/o.jpg http://mrazbrewingcompany.com/home/ Almost right on the El Dorado Trail: https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...GxUtCxzA/o.jpg American River South Fork Trail: https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/ima...ontal_main.jpg and so on. Summer skiing? https://www.timberlinelodge.com/imag...1525718904.jpg We got plenty of skiing. It's just not my thing. How about a great descent on a tiny road bike? https://tinyurl.com/ybh4trvk I think not. Nah, too old. Nooooooo. You just have monster trucks. https://www.jeepfan.com/wp-content/u...-2-600x381.jpg Pfffffffff. No, mountain bikes. And the bus trip starts in Sandy, Oregon -- home of Joe's Donuts. http://www.bikesnbrew.com/s/cc_image...4221248772.jpg The apple fritters are the size of Montana. You cannot top Joe's Donuts. Most likely Apple Hill in Camino can. Their apple fritters are great but I don't eat them on account of their effect on the waist line. ... All of this on a $2 bus ride -- plus great trail riding. Your European friends need a better bucket list. $2 courtesy of the taxpayer. You are a welfare queen :-) Actually, even some of our $10 kayak shuttles are partially subsidized by the California Air Resources Board or CARB. They want people not to do the two pickup truck shuttling. Since that's just as bad with mountain bikers they should also work in that direction, else people will keep doing it. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 8:09:49 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-08-31 17:03, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:28:50 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 16:10, jbeattie wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 13:57, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 4:17:42 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 12:08, Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Friday, August 31, 2018 at 3:03:16 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 11:06, Sir Ridesalot wrote: [...] Again, if Germany is so gosh darn great, then why have so many Germans emigrated? Because it wasn't always great and still isn't in many aspects. One cannot generalize. For example, public transportation is clearly better there but bike paths and even more so MTB trails are definitely not. Before moving to the US I would have never dreamed that bicycle infrastructure could become better here than in Germany but it has. Agencies in the various contries could learn from each other but there is often a lack of willingness. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ I wonder what would happen if to create a new bicycling infrastructure or bus/rail link that would benefit mainly bicyclists, if bicyclists were told they alone would have to pay for it? Me and my friends would tell them not to build any infrastructure, which means they shall also not obstruct us by roads, of course (else there is an obligation to accommodate). For a real cyclist nature provides sufficient infrastructure. This is right here in town and I use it often: http://analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/CoachLane1.JPG Oh, and add a beer garden 30 miles later, with salty pretzels and all :-) Case in point: The El Dorado Trail, one of my frequent routes. There isn't much infrastructure or maintenance other than by volunteers yet this is the only truly bikeable connection to Placerville. One needs to have an MTB and at least basic trail riding skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_T2c4AXaCY -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ Then why in blazes do you want bigger bike racks on buses? As I wrote several times now, because there are people who'd like to come along on a ride but who do not have the endurance or trail skills to finish such a ride in time. Often I cannot leave before 11:30am but need to be back by 4:30pm. Which I can do but they can't. It is a good thing if we as more seasoned cyclists convince others to ride along. However, if their first experience is a total bonk and utter exhaustion or, worse, a nasty crash they will throw in the towel. I recently had that happen. Got carried away for a minute, the rider behind me tried to keep up and took a bad spill. Turned around to look for him and helped fix his bike. He said he is done trail-riding. Lyft or Uber, unless your local mass-transit agency is willing to put special racks on its buses so people can go trail riding. Ours is. http://www.mthoodexpress.com/ It has a bicycle trailer. https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mt...rline-to-town/ That is really nice though I am not a downhill dare devil. An MTB riding friend who is also a kayaker wants to find out if the kayak shuttles take MTB from Folsom to Lotus. On their web site they have an MTB picture so they might. That would be $10 which is a bit steep but worth it. Top that. Well, we have the Rubicon Trail. A buddy rode it twice this week on his MTB because it was so much fun. There are people flying in from Europe and Australia just to ride the Rubicon. Many foreigners have that on their bucket list. Can you get to the Rubicon Trail for $2 in a city bus with your mondo 29er in a trailer? Does the Rubicon Trail have a classic WPA lodge? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timberline_Lodge You can have a world-class dinner, a bunch of drinks and spend the night. Hang out next to the fire place: https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/me...dge-center.jpg (my wife and I always sit right there). We don't need fancy-schmantzy, on lonely trails way out in nature I sometimes bring home-made IPA which can be enjoyed out in the open. You can do that, too -- for a $2 bus ride. Also on the same route: http://www.skibowl.com/summer/ and cruising around Government Camp: http://mounthoodinfo.com/ It's got a good taco stand which makes for a nice stop before either slugging up the road to Timberline or for the MTB set, a trail -- or you can split the difference and ride West Leg. Brewpubs? https://mthoodbrewing.com/ Looks a bit sterile to me for a brewpub. It's pretty low-brow, actually. I much prefer the vibe of Timberline. Some of my other "gas stations" on bike trips: https://s3-media3.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...9w_jW32g/o.jpg http://mrazbrewingcompany.com/home/ Almost right on the El Dorado Trail: https://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bph...GxUtCxzA/o.jpg American River South Fork Trail: https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/ima...ontal_main.jpg and so on. Well, I'm just talking about bus-route brew-pubs. At Timberline, you can also go to the Blue Ox -- buried in the basement stone work of the lodge. https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-c...48-780x639.jpg If we're talking a brew pubs generally, there are 105 breweries in the Portland metro area. https://oregoncraftbeer.org/facts/ 5 in Hood River and 12 in the Mt. Hood/Gorge area. You would have to take a different bus, though. Summer skiing? https://www.timberlinelodge.com/imag...1525718904.jpg We got plenty of skiing. It's just not my thing. Timberline has the only summer skiing in the contiguous 48 states. It's a hoot. Ride up to Timberline, meet the wife with skis. Spend the night at Timberline and go skiing in the morning. Not cheap, but a great outing. How about a great descent on a tiny road bike? https://tinyurl.com/ybh4trvk I think not. Nah, too old. Nooooooo. You just have monster trucks. https://www.jeepfan.com/wp-content/u...-2-600x381.jpg Pfffffffff. No, mountain bikes. I'm sure its a wonderful trail, but alas, no city bus. Seriously though, I love the Sierra and spent untold hours riding and hiking the Sierra -- although no mountain biking. If I lived in Cameron Park, I'd be riding up into the Sierra on the road, which I have done on HWY 49. I might actually get a mountain bike or seriously re-do my gravel bike. And the bus trip starts in Sandy, Oregon -- home of Joe's Donuts. http://www.bikesnbrew.com/s/cc_image...4221248772.jpg The apple fritters are the size of Montana. You cannot top Joe's Donuts. Most likely Apple Hill in Camino can. Their apple fritters are great but I don't eat them on account of their effect on the waist line. Could be. I'm on a diet and gave up making fritter comparisons. ... All of this on a $2 bus ride -- plus great trail riding. Your European friends need a better bucket list. $2 courtesy of the taxpayer. You are a welfare queen :-) True, but all of us oppressed Multnomah County tax payers just paid for the re-do of the Sellwood Bridge, which probably serves more people from Clackamas County -- who refused to pay a dime. We deserve free bus rides in Clackamas County. We deserve free donuts and coffee, too. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2018-09-01 13:10, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 8:09:49 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 17:03, jbeattie wrote: [...] Well, I'm just talking about bus-route brew-pubs. At Timberline, you can also go to the Blue Ox -- buried in the basement stone work of the lodge. https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-c...48-780x639.jpg Sweet! If we're talking a brew pubs generally, there are 105 breweries in the Portland metro area. https://oregoncraftbeer.org/facts/ 5 in Hood River and 12 in the Mt. Hood/Gorge area. You would have to take a different bus, though. After you showed a few examples of growler fill stations in the back of shops I mentioned that to a cycling friend, an ex-Oregonian. He didn't know! He said "probably not in Klamath Falls". However, sure enough one little store there has several good brews for $10/growler. So next time he drives up there for a visit he'll carry all the growlers he's got, swing by that shop and surprise his brothers. Who live there and didn't know about the growler fill counters either. Summer skiing? https://www.timberlinelodge.com/imag...1525718904.jpg We got plenty of skiing. It's just not my thing. Timberline has the only summer skiing in the contiguous 48 states. It's a hoot. Ride up to Timberline, meet the wife with skis. Spend the night at Timberline and go skiing in the morning. Not cheap, but a great outing. Well, skiing is not so much for us. How about a great descent on a tiny road bike? https://tinyurl.com/ybh4trvk I think not. Nah, too old. Nooooooo. You just have monster trucks. https://www.jeepfan.com/wp-content/u...-2-600x381.jpg Pfffffffff. No, mountain bikes. I'm sure its a wonderful trail, but alas, no city bus. But less than 90mins by pickup truck. Makes you much more independent as well. It would be a real bummer if you'd pretzel the chain, have to hoof it out and miss the last bus back down the hill. ... Seriously though, I love the Sierra and spent untold hours riding and hiking the Sierra -- although no mountain biking. If I lived in Cameron Park, I'd be riding up into the Sierra on the road, which I have done on HWY 49. I might actually get a mountain bike or seriously re-do my gravel bike. Cycling on Hwy 49 is no fun. I had too many close calls on such roads and now avoid them. There isn't much up there for cyclists until you get to Mormon Emigrant Trail. And the bus trip starts in Sandy, Oregon -- home of Joe's Donuts. http://www.bikesnbrew.com/s/cc_image...4221248772.jpg The apple fritters are the size of Montana. You cannot top Joe's Donuts. Most likely Apple Hill in Camino can. Their apple fritters are great but I don't eat them on account of their effect on the waist line. Could be. I'm on a diet and gave up making fritter comparisons. As we get older our body's fuel economy seems to increase without bounds. For me, no matter how much I cycle and how much I watch my diet the weight does not drop one pound. ... All of this on a $2 bus ride -- plus great trail riding. Your European friends need a better bucket list. $2 courtesy of the taxpayer. You are a welfare queen :-) True, but all of us oppressed Multnomah County tax payers just paid for the re-do of the Sellwood Bridge, which probably serves more people from Clackamas County -- who refused to pay a dime. We deserve free bus rides in Clackamas County. We deserve free donuts and coffee, too. First you were razzing me for that kind of thinking and now you are doing it as well :-) Though that's right, at some point we all want to see some benefit for the taxes paid. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 3:36:29 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-01 13:10, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 8:09:49 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2018-08-31 17:03, jbeattie wrote: [...] Well, I'm just talking about bus-route brew-pubs. At Timberline, you can also go to the Blue Ox -- buried in the basement stone work of the lodge. https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-c...48-780x639.jpg Sweet! If we're talking a brew pubs generally, there are 105 breweries in the Portland metro area. https://oregoncraftbeer.org/facts/ 5 in Hood River and 12 in the Mt. Hood/Gorge area. You would have to take a different bus, though. After you showed a few examples of growler fill stations in the back of shops I mentioned that to a cycling friend, an ex-Oregonian. He didn't know! He said "probably not in Klamath Falls". However, sure enough one little store there has several good brews for $10/growler. So next time he drives up there for a visit he'll carry all the growlers he's got, swing by that shop and surprise his brothers. Who live there and didn't know about the growler fill counters either. Summer skiing? https://www.timberlinelodge.com/imag...1525718904.jpg We got plenty of skiing. It's just not my thing. Timberline has the only summer skiing in the contiguous 48 states. It's a hoot. Ride up to Timberline, meet the wife with skis. Spend the night at Timberline and go skiing in the morning. Not cheap, but a great outing. Well, skiing is not so much for us. How about a great descent on a tiny road bike? https://tinyurl.com/ybh4trvk I think not. Nah, too old. Nooooooo. You just have monster trucks. https://www.jeepfan.com/wp-content/u...-2-600x381.jpg Pfffffffff. No, mountain bikes. I'm sure its a wonderful trail, but alas, no city bus. But less than 90mins by pickup truck. Makes you much more independent as well. It would be a real bummer if you'd pretzel the chain, have to hoof it out and miss the last bus back down the hill. ... Seriously though, I love the Sierra and spent untold hours riding and hiking the Sierra -- although no mountain biking. If I lived in Cameron Park, I'd be riding up into the Sierra on the road, which I have done on HWY 49. I might actually get a mountain bike or seriously re-do my gravel bike. Cycling on Hwy 49 is no fun. I had too many close calls on such roads and now avoid them. There isn't much up there for cyclists until you get to Mormon Emigrant Trail. And the bus trip starts in Sandy, Oregon -- home of Joe's Donuts. http://www.bikesnbrew.com/s/cc_image...4221248772.jpg The apple fritters are the size of Montana. You cannot top Joe's Donuts. Most likely Apple Hill in Camino can. Their apple fritters are great but I don't eat them on account of their effect on the waist line. Could be. I'm on a diet and gave up making fritter comparisons. As we get older our body's fuel economy seems to increase without bounds. For me, no matter how much I cycle and how much I watch my diet the weight does not drop one pound. ... All of this on a $2 bus ride -- plus great trail riding. Your European friends need a better bucket list. $2 courtesy of the taxpayer. You are a welfare queen :-) True, but all of us oppressed Multnomah County tax payers just paid for the re-do of the Sellwood Bridge, which probably serves more people from Clackamas County -- who refused to pay a dime. We deserve free bus rides in Clackamas County. We deserve free donuts and coffee, too. First you were razzing me for that kind of thinking and now you are doing it as well :-) Though that's right, at some point we all want to see some benefit for the taxes paid. I have never razzed you for wanting value for your tax dollar! I'm not crazy. I razzed you for complaining about your metro buses not having racks appropriate for odd-sized MTBs. The Mt. Hood bus is a novelty act (with a trailer) and not a metro bus. It serves ski resorts and mountain communities and not suburban Sacramento. Even SLC has ordinary bike racks, and you can take those buses up the canyons to some awesome trails. Ordinary people on bikes do see a benefit, but you are not ordinary. Fight the power! Stand up for the non-ordinary! But be prepared for people complaining about throwing their tax dollars at a few odd-balls with fat tire 29ers. I wonder why the cowboys of Clackamas County have not made a fuss about the Mt. Hood Express. It is recreational welfare, although it does provide ordinary transit service to the mountain towns. -- Jay Beattie. |
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