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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
On 7/1/2020 11:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/1/2020 12:18 AM, Joy Beeson wrote: I'd made a couple of short rides in my grubbies, in case I had to undress into the washing machine, and thought that I could wear calf-length house pants on the bike all the time.Â* They aren't reinforced in the seat, but hey, they are cheap (never mind that each pair represents a few hundred trips to the store; non-plastic clothing is *really* hard to find) You know MUCH more than I do about clothes, so I hesitate to post a tip. But I'll do it anyway. About hard-to-find clothes: Last year I needed to replace a couple of cotton seersucker casual shirts. I like that fabric for summer's heat and humidity. I seldom even consider buying clothes online, but then I thought about Kohl's online. Turned out they had a large inventory including my acceptable shirts, I could order and pay online, then pick up at the store which is not far away. Best of all, in my book, I figured I could try the shirts on in the store before I even walked out the door; so if they didn't fit, the return would be postage free and instantaneous. When I picked them up, I asked if I could try them on. The clerk said "Honey, they're yours! You can do anything you want!" And they did fit. Heck, I'd be tempted to buy shoes that way! Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. I used the new shoes for the first time on a tandem ride Sunday. They'll require a little work. First, I'll have to adjust the strap length, as I think these are thicker than my previous shoes. Also I'll try to re-shape the toe clips because the toe box is higher. But the scariest thing occurred two times we started from a dead stop - always a bit trickier with the tandem. My wife held the left pedal in my power position, I stood on it to pedal forward as I rose into the seat, and my foot almost slipped off! When I got home, I found the reason. The sole of the shoe is made of normal rubber with high traction. But they searched far and wide to find the hardest, lowest friction material available for the cleat cover. I think it's made of black Teflon. I hope EPDM rubber can be glued to it. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:44:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: When I got home, I found the reason. The sole of the shoe is made of normal rubber with high traction. But they searched far and wide to find the hardest, lowest friction material available for the cleat cover. I think it's made of black Teflon. I hope EPDM rubber can be glued to it. EPDM is very difficult to glue: https://www.permabond.com/resource-center/bonding-epdm-industrial-adhesive/ The article suggests cyanoacrylate adhesives, which might work if you don't flex the sole very much while riding. If the sole is as stiff as you suggest, that might work. I don't have any experience using structural adhesives (acrylic) and rubber. One lesson I learned working with rubber is that the glue joint has to be super clean before applying the glue. 91% alcohol was my favored solvent, but if the materials were compatible, I used acetone. Also, wear gloves as any skin oil transferred to the glue joint will ruin it. Instead of EPDM, maybe something lower tech, such as rubber gasket material: https://www.acehardware.com/departments/plumbing/faucet-and-faucet-repair/faucet-and-valve-packing/4218095 or neoprene sheets: https://www.mcmaster.com/neoprene-rubber-sheet-gaskets/ However, neoprene adhesive is kinda expensive: https://www.amazon.com/3M-Scotch-Weld-Neoprene-Performance-Adhesive/dp/B00QVILOQO https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Neoprene-High-Performance-Rubber-and-Gasket-Adhesive-1300/?N=5002385+3293241328&rt=rud https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Scotch-Weld-Neoprene-High-Performance-Contact-Adhesive-EC-1357/?N=5002385+3292667546&preselect=3293786499&rt=rud I think it's basically contact cement, so it might be worth trying something cheaper such as Weldwood. Also, you could try wire brushing or cutting grooves into the existing soles to improve traction. That might need to be done anyway to increase the surface area for gluing. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 5:44:21 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/1/2020 11:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/1/2020 12:18 AM, Joy Beeson wrote: I'd made a couple of short rides in my grubbies, in case I had to undress into the washing machine, and thought that I could wear calf-length house pants on the bike all the time.Â* They aren't reinforced in the seat, but hey, they are cheap (never mind that each pair represents a few hundred trips to the store; non-plastic clothing is *really* hard to find) You know MUCH more than I do about clothes, so I hesitate to post a tip.. But I'll do it anyway. About hard-to-find clothes: Last year I needed to replace a couple of cotton seersucker casual shirts. I like that fabric for summer's heat and humidity. I seldom even consider buying clothes online, but then I thought about Kohl's online. Turned out they had a large inventory including my acceptable shirts, I could order and pay online, then pick up at the store which is not far away. Best of all, in my book, I figured I could try the shirts on in the store before I even walked out the door; so if they didn't fit, the return would be postage free and instantaneous. When I picked them up, I asked if I could try them on. The clerk said "Honey, they're yours! You can do anything you want!" And they did fit. Heck, I'd be tempted to buy shoes that way! Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. I confused. Why do you need cleat covers if you don't need cleats. Lou |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:44:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/1/2020 11:36 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/1/2020 12:18 AM, Joy Beeson wrote: I'd made a couple of short rides in my grubbies, in case I had to undress into the washing machine, and thought that I could wear calf-length house pants on the bike all the time.Â* They aren't reinforced in the seat, but hey, they are cheap (never mind that each pair represents a few hundred trips to the store; non-plastic clothing is *really* hard to find) You know MUCH more than I do about clothes, so I hesitate to post a tip.. But I'll do it anyway. About hard-to-find clothes: Last year I needed to replace a couple of cotton seersucker casual shirts. I like that fabric for summer's heat and humidity. I seldom even consider buying clothes online, but then I thought about Kohl's online. Turned out they had a large inventory including my acceptable shirts, I could order and pay online, then pick up at the store which is not far away. Best of all, in my book, I figured I could try the shirts on in the store before I even walked out the door; so if they didn't fit, the return would be postage free and instantaneous. When I picked them up, I asked if I could try them on. The clerk said "Honey, they're yours! You can do anything you want!" And they did fit. Heck, I'd be tempted to buy shoes that way! Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. I used the new shoes for the first time on a tandem ride Sunday. They'll require a little work. First, I'll have to adjust the strap length, as I think these are thicker than my previous shoes. Also I'll try to re-shape the toe clips because the toe box is higher. But the scariest thing occurred two times we started from a dead stop - always a bit trickier with the tandem. My wife held the left pedal in my power position, I stood on it to pedal forward as I rose into the seat, and my foot almost slipped off! When I got home, I found the reason. The sole of the shoe is made of normal rubber with high traction. But they searched far and wide to find the hardest, lowest friction material available for the cleat cover. I think it's made of black Teflon. With double-sided SPD platform pedals and endless SPD stealth-shoe styles, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use toe clips, particularly on a tandem. I dumped toe clips a millenia ago and haven't used them since -- except after breaking my legs and having to ride in ortho boots. I can see wanting to avoid special shoes, but you're buying special shoes. Now just go out and buy some sale-table M520s and call it good. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 7/1/2020 3:34 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 5:44:21 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. I confused. Why do you need cleat covers if you don't need cleats. The shoes will certainly be used for walking, including on dirt, perhaps mud, etc. when I have to dismount and walk the bike. I figure the cavity inside will fill up with mud and need to be cleaned out. With covers, I should be able to get them adequately clean by just wiping my feet on a mat. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
On 7/1/2020 4:39 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:44:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. With double-sided SPD platform pedals and endless SPD stealth-shoe styles, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use toe clips, particularly on a tandem. Hmm. Is that yet more intolerance for others' choices? I know quite a few people who prefer toe clips. Of the two (fast) people we rode with Sunday, one of them used toe clips. You might work harder to train your imaginative powers. Personally, I frequently ride without "suiting up." In the last couple of weeks, I've ridden that tandem twice with a little kid on the back (using a kid-back attachment I fabricated myself, years ago). Should I really have donned special shoes to ride 7 miles on neighborhood streets, or two miles to a store and back? The double-sided SPD pedals would work after a fashion, but if I were not in SPD shoes I'd be on flat pedals without toe clips. For me, that's less desirable. In general, I use "special shoes" as I do special bike shorts - for longer recreational rides. For quick utility rides, rides with kids, slow rides with neighbors etc. I just jump on and ride. (Will we someday have "special shorts" that only interface with a particular design of saddle? Will each saddle manufacturer have their own standard for shorts? It's an entirely new opportunity for bike industry churning!) -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
On 7/1/2020 4:27 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/1/2020 4:39 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:44:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. With double-sided SPD platform pedals and endless SPD stealth-shoe styles, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use toe clips, particularly on a tandem. Hmm. Is that yet more intolerance for others' choices? I know quite a few people who prefer toe clips. Of the two (fast) people we rode with Sunday, one of them used toe clips. You might work harder to train your imaginative powers. Personally, I frequently ride without "suiting up." In the last couple of weeks, I've ridden that tandem twice with a little kid on the back (using a kid-back attachment I fabricated myself, years ago). Should I really have donned special shoes to ride 7 miles on neighborhood streets, or two miles to a store and back? The double-sided SPD pedals would work after a fashion, but if I were not in SPD shoes I'd be on flat pedals without toe clips. For me, that's less desirable. In general, I use "special shoes" as I do special bike shorts - for longer recreational rides. For quick utility rides, rides with kids, slow rides with neighbors etc. I just jump on and ride. (Will we someday have "special shorts" that only interface with a particular design of saddle? Will each saddle manufacturer have their own standard for shorts? It's an entirely new opportunity for bike industry churning!) The last thing made which did that very well was the SiDi Touring, a walkable sorta stiff smooth rubber sole shoe. There just wasn't sufficient volume for it. Grant Peterson cajoled SiDi into making one last run for Rivendell, but that was twenty years ago. I ride toeclips with regular leather soled dress shoes because I find them comfortable and they're dirt cheap used (as my generation drops dead). Retail $400, thrift store $10. I tried Capezio 440s (made in USA!) which are very comfortable but the soles are too thin for riding. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
Am 01.07.2020 um 23:27 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
On 7/1/2020 4:39 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:44:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. With double-sided SPD platform pedals and endless SPD stealth-shoe styles, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use toe clips, particularly on a tandem. Personally, I frequently ride without "suiting up." In the last couple of weeks, I've ridden that tandem twice with a little kid on the back (using a kid-back attachment I fabricated myself, years ago). Should I really have donned special shoes to ride 7 miles on neighborhood streets, or two miles to a store and back? The double-sided SPD pedals would work after a fashion, but if I were not in SPD shoes I'd be on flat pedals without toe clips. For me, that's less desirable. The double-sided SPD pedals are the best compromise between special shoes for longer distances and "normal shoes" for going into town only. It it's not worth putting on special cycling shoes, the lack of foot retention does not matter either. On the 7 miles to work, I forget to put on the cycling shoes maybe once a year and I'm too lazy to go back into the house again, the difference is quite noticable. But I would never want to ride those 7 milse with something as inferior as toe clips vs. SPD the rest of the year just to get an improvement for that one day per year. |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 2:27:19 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/1/2020 4:39 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:44:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: Speaking of shoes: I recently took delivery of a new pair of cycling shoes. It involved quite a search, since I don't use clipless pedals (that a person clips into). I like toe clips and straps. I needed to find shoes that came with a proper cleat cover, and it seems those are becoming rare. Plus, I'm not into psychedelic shoe colors. With double-sided SPD platform pedals and endless SPD stealth-shoe styles, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use toe clips, particularly on a tandem. Hmm. Is that yet more intolerance for others' choices? No, I question your choice when you're already buying special shoes, and particularly when double sided pedals are well suited to tandems. Entry is faster since there is no flip phase, which makes it easier to get into your pedals as you're wobbling off the start. Exit is easier too, depending on the soles of your toe clip shoes and whether you tighten your straps or have multiple straps. I also thought you owned at least one bike with SPD pedals. No? -- Jay Beattie. |
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Remembering how to tie my shoes, going back for a do-rag
Am Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:39:41 -0700 (PDT) schrieb jbeattie
: On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 8:44:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: .... But the scariest thing occurred two times we started from a dead stop - always a bit trickier with the tandem. My wife held the left pedal in my power position, I stood on it to pedal forward as I rose into the seat, and my foot almost slipped off! When I got home, I found the reason. The sole of the shoe is made of normal rubber with high traction. But they searched far and wide to find the hardest, lowest friction material available for the cleat cover. I think it's made of black Teflon. With double-sided SPD platform pedals and endless SPD stealth-shoe styles, I can't imagine why anyone would want to use toe clips, I can and you don't have to. It's primary a personal preference. There are people who prefer sandals, whether they are walking or cycling. Probably for a reason. I myself switched to SPD pedals in 1995 with the newly purchased Panasonic, my wife changed to SPD in 2010, also on the occasion of a newly acquired road bike. We live in an old university town, you can see many students riding around on old racing bikes, few of them use racing pedals or MTB variant called SPD. A can imagine why they do it that way, too. Speaking about sandals, I rarely wear those, because they offer little protection. Nevertheless, years ago I bought a pair of sandals with SPD cleats and was quite happy to have them available for some of these tours https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/fahrrad/luberon/luberon2008-2018s.jpg in 2018, on very hot days. particularly on a tandem. I dumped toe clips a millenia ago and haven't used them since -- except after breaking my legs and having to ride in ortho boots. See? You can imagine reasons, as long as these are your reasons. Now try to imagine that other people may have reasons you don't know about. I can see wanting to avoid special shoes, but you're buying special shoes. Now just go out and buy some sale-table M520s and call it good. I agree with the notion that M520 are good enough. Shortly after I wrote the following summary about the M323 in 2008, I bought a pair of M520, replacing the M323, mostly to get rid of the flat side, which I almost never used, but which gets in the way in curves. https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/technik/komponenten/m323/shimano-m323-still-going-strong.html The article is in German, sorry about that. A rought translation of the first paragraph: "At the beginning of 1995 I bought a set of M323 pedals, shoe plates and a pair of shoes together with my road bike. At the end of 1998 I wrote in a first experience report that I was quite satisfied with the pedals. Later I dismantled the M323 pedals from the road bike and exchanged them with PD-M525 which I had received together with a touring bike that I had had built according to my specifications. The plates ("cleats") are long worn and replaced, ditto the shoes. The pedals, on the other hand, are still in use and I am still quite satisfied with them." -- Thank you for observing all safety precautions |
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