|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#191
|
|||
|
|||
22 Sept. No petrol day
TimC wrote:
On 2005-09-23, BrettM (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: In China the still run steam locomotives. Not because they couldn't afford diesel but because they are more energy efficient than diesel even usng low grade coal. There is a higher labour effort involved though. And that would work out well for China, with it's low labour prices. And that apparently is the reason why they do it. whereas in Australia, we can quad head a train with four diesel/electric locos+ with only two crew. Probably counts as coal driven anyway in NSW {:-). [1] But that's very interesting. I think I have worked out where my next holiday is [1] Yes, I know it isn't the same, but I'll console myself tomorrow with a steam train ride. |
Ads |
#192
|
|||
|
|||
22 Sept. No petrol day
I'll second that query. I'm sure there are plenty of Melbournian abers that would be more than willing to buy you a drink in exchange for meeting you "in the flesh", so to speak. I'd be asking for more than that if I was buying her a drink! And the same goes for Lotte (at least for me, anyway.) Stuart, I'm warning you now. NO YOU DON'T. LotteBum -- LotteBum |
#193
|
|||
|
|||
22 Sept. No petrol day
LotteBum wrote: snip And the same goes for Lotte (at least for me, anyway.) Stuart, I'm warning you now. NO YOU DON'T. LotteBum Lotte - don't put yourself down!!! There's lots of variety in people, and lots of variety in what people like - lots of room for the two to meet... And Dave's comment is that some of them like shotguns too... |
#194
|
|||
|
|||
22 Sept. No petrol day
Theo Bekkers wrote:
Tamyka Bell wrote: Theo Bekkers wrote: I will be today unless Iwant to walk home. Dare ya. 55 kms should only take me 8 hours. Theo See, there are distinct advantages to being an ultra runner. Tam |
#195
|
|||
|
|||
22 Sept. No petrol day
Theo Bekkers Wrote:[color=blue] Resound wrote: Ok then, this seems to be the point of contention. Should people be allowed to extravagantly consume resources, whether that be fuel, food, living space, carbon fibre bicycles, arable land or Tim TamsT at orders of magnitude beyond their reasonable needs and to the detriment of others around them? I do not, of course, believe that my lifestyle is extravagant or to the detriment of others. We have managed to amass enough equity in 45 years of working for a living to live comfortably with little debt. I wasn't always in this position, we had our kids young and struggled for a lot of years to make ends meet. We now have two average vehicles, a motorcycle, four bicycles, an average sized house. We grow a few vegies, keep a few chooks, and enjoy our little forest in the backyard. In this vein, it's fairly clear to me that consuming resources to manufacture and run a vehicle that masses between 1½ and 2 times what you could reasonably need for any purpose other than to bolster one's sagging ego is just another facet in a generally selfish outlook that in a number of cases that I've personally encountered, borders on a type of sociopathy that is permitted only because it's not technically illegal and because it's most endemic amongst those who are responsible for drafting any possible legislation that could mitigate it. How do you measure what a person needs, and what leeway will you give them to what they want and have worked hard to get? Do you measure waste by size of the goods or by the number of hours you have to work to afford them? Possibly, in a time in the not too distant future, our lifestyles will be assessed in terms of our overall impact on the planet (footprint). Millions of people living unsustainably = an unsustainable existence (oxymoron???). There is already discussion around the issue of carbon credits for everyone, not just industry. So we would all have an allocation of energy consumption, and we can choose to 'spend' it as we wish, or to sell and / or buy credits. The very interesting part will be how the actual figure to be allocated will be determined. The focus on individual aspects of how we live our lives is, I think, wrong. No point owning a small car if you use an air-conditioner alot, don't use green power, don't re-use or recycle, don't support small, local organic growers rather than large agri-businesses. Pat -- vaudegiant |
#196
|
|||
|
|||
22 Sept. No petrol day
That's not because the load on the power grid is less, it's because there's less traffic on the road. In the context of resource usage as a PERSONAL decision, power generation doesn't come into it. We can and should collectively push for cleaner power generation (and that's already starting to happen to a very tiny degree) but individually, it's not something that we can affect day to day other than by using more energy effective devices and leaving them turned off when we're not using them (are you actually watching that television?). You make alot of good points until........Power generation is a very personal thing, and of huge importance. Electricity generation and its usage, along with personal transport choices, are at the heart of our personal 'footprint'. Most 1 car households generate more CO2 through their electricity usage than via the car. There are other issuse of course with respect to other toxic gases generated by cars, as there are for residents living near power stations. Home energy use is more than turning off the TV. Its about the source of power primarily. Available to almost everyone is Green power. Sloar, wind, geothermal, biomass power sources can become viable if we as consumers demand them. Pat -- vaudegiant |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
OT(ish): Over on aus.bicycle re petrol protests | Simon Brooke | UK | 5 | September 16th 05 11:37 AM |
OT(ish): Over on aus.bicycle re petrol protests | JohnB | UK | 0 | September 15th 05 12:27 PM |
Todays Herald Sun - Petrol Price Bleating | PiledHigher | Australia | 9 | August 25th 05 03:02 AM |
Petrol station a "hub of the community" | Not Responding | UK | 24 | May 16th 05 02:26 PM |
hybrid cars and bikes | Rob F. in Houston | General | 51 | January 2nd 04 01:27 AM |