Blue railway signals?

On 17/12/2018 14:31, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:12:25 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 12:33, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 -0000, Tim+ wrote:

Dave W wrote:

You mean you haven’t worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Where troll = someone who disagrees with your opinion.Â* Grow up.

Not sure about Kristy who seems to have parachuted in from another NG.


My ratio of killed threads and posters to ones I read is now around 2:1

Which means you're the problem.

Well the massive faux logic in thats statement means that in fact you are.

*plonk*

--
There’s a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:01:01 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 17/12/2018 14:31, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:12:25 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 12:33, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 -0000, Tim+ wrote:

Dave W wrote:

You mean you haven’t worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Where troll = someone who disagrees with your opinion. Grow up.

Not sure about Kristy who seems to have parachuted in from another NG.


My ratio of killed threads and posters to ones I read is now around 2:1

Which means you're the problem.

Well the massive faux logic in thats statement means that in fact you are.

*plonk*

If anyone hates more than half the population, they only have themselves to blame.

William Gothberg" "William Gothberg wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:01:01 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 17/12/2018 14:31, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:12:25 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 12:33, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 -0000, Tim+
wrote:
Dave W wrote:

You mean you haven't worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Where troll = someone who disagrees with your opinion. Grow up.

Not sure about Kristy who seems to have parachuted in from another
NG. My ratio of killed threads and posters to ones I read is now
around 2:1

Which means you're the problem.

Well the massive faux logic in thats statement means that in fact
you are. *plonk*

If anyone hates more than half the population, they only have
themselves to blame.

**** off Hucker.

On 17/12/2018 15:28, William Gothberg wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:01:01 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 14:31, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:12:25 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 12:33, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 -0000, Tim+ wrote:

Dave W wrote:

You mean you haven’t worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Where troll = someone who disagrees with your opinion.Â* Grow up.

Not sure about Kristy who seems to have parachuted in from another NG.


My ratio of killed threads and posters to ones I read is now around 2:1

Which means you're the problem.

Well the massive faux logic in thats statement means that in fact you
are.

*plonk*

If anyone hates more than half the population, they only have themselves
to blame.
?

Thosee 66% 0f post are from aboutr 4 nyms.

Not half the membership

I see Sums and Logic are not your strong point

And the Bandar Log are your model

--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:06:29 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

William Gothberg" "William Gothberg wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:01:01 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 17/12/2018 14:31, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:12:25 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 12:33, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 -0000, Tim+
wrote:
Dave W wrote:

You mean you haven't worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Where troll = someone who disagrees with your opinion. Grow up.

Not sure about Kristy who seems to have parachuted in from another
NG. My ratio of killed threads and posters to ones I read is now
around 2:1

Which means you're the problem.

Well the massive faux logic in thats statement means that in fact
you are. *plonk*

If anyone hates more than half the population, they only have
themselves to blame.

**** off Hucker.

Stop following me around, go hire a prostitute.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Dave W wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:38:15 -0000, "Kristy Ogilvie"
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 19:54:44 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Snip
Wrong, as always.

I suggested only morons would choose the wrong way, and you added
******s to that list.

I have kill-filed Rod Speed, with his perpetual "Wrong, as always". I
implore you not to feed the trolls, so as not to subject us to pages of
bickering which you will never win.

You mean you haven’t worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Correction: another *idiot* troll! :-)

--
Johnny B Good

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:19:58 -0000, Johnny B Good wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

Dave W wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 21:38:15 -0000, "Kristy Ogilvie"
wrote:

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 19:54:44 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:

Snip
Wrong, as always.

I suggested only morons would choose the wrong way, and you added
******s to that list.

I have kill-filed Rod Speed, with his perpetual "Wrong, as always". I
implore you not to feed the trolls, so as not to subject us to pages of
bickering which you will never win.

You mean you haven’t worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Correction: another *idiot* troll! :-)

Correction, someone who doesn't agree with you and you can't handle it.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 17:19:45 -0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 17/12/2018 15:28, William Gothberg wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 15:01:01 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 14:31, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 14:12:25 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 17/12/2018 12:33, Liam Roberts wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 10:02:29 -0000, Tim+ wrote:

Dave W wrote:

You mean you haven’t worked out the Kristy is another troll?

Where troll = someone who disagrees with your opinion. Grow up..

Not sure about Kristy who seems to have parachuted in from another NG.


My ratio of killed threads and posters to ones I read is now around 2:1

Which means you're the problem.

Well the massive faux logic in thats statement means that in fact you
are.

*plonk*

If anyone hates more than half the population, they only have themselves
to blame.
?

Thosee 66% 0f post are from aboutr 4 nyms.

Not half the membership

I see Sums and Logic are not your strong point

And the Bandar Log are your model

You referred to the number of POSTERS.

On 17/12/2018 04:28, Rod Speed wrote:


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On 2018-12-16 6:10 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:39:40 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:

On 16/12/2018 15:00, Max Demian wrote:
On 16/12/2018 13:33, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:37:49 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 14/12/2018 18:22, Fred Johnson wrote:
People with colour blindness shouldn't drive trains (or cars
for that
matter).

And it's not very many, in fact I know of only one person who's
colourblind.

You may not know *of* many but I bet you know quite a lot. It's
about 8%
of men, although many of them do not realise that, or discover
it until
tested later in life.

I think you'd notice when you saw all the traffic light bulbs
looking
identical.* You're not safe to drive if you can't tell red from
green.

I suspect they don't look *identical*, just not as distinct as to
someone with normal colour vision. They would use the position to
confirm which is which.

Correct. Which is why colour-blindness is not even notifiable to the
DVLA. Driving a train is of course totally different as braking
needs to
be commenced way earlier and the position of the light cannot be
determined at that point.

I'm not colour blind, and I don't look directly at the traffic
lights. I see red or green out of the corner of my eye and act
accordingly.* If they suddenly became the same or very similar colours,

That isnt what happens with most colorblind people.

And its never suddenly with any of them, they are born with it.

I'd make mistakes regularly.

Yes, some colorblind people do, but its normally only
with trivial stuff like not being able to pick matching
sox or less frequently wearing contrasting colors that
don't really go together that only normally sighted
people notice.

Are you saying a colour blind person already knows to look carefully
at things?

The microscopic subset of people that can't distinguish
between red and green do if fact use which of the
column of lights is lit instead of the color.

I can't think of where else colour and position are that important.

The most obvious is with signalling to aircraft
in the days before radio communication was
used. They used red or green light to indicate
whether you were allowed to land or not
depending on what else was using the runway.

the radio was invented first so that's just stupid ,

When it was invented is irrelevant. What matters is
whether it was actually required to be in the aircraft.
And even when it was very common in aircraft, it was
still used in the situation where the radio had failed.

You were worrect in the first place, as it was a number of years after
WW1 before most fighter and bomber aircraft were equipped with radio.
For that matter, even during WW2, where radio was much better developed
and much smaller and lighter, many tanks (where weight obviously is
irrelevant) were not equipped with full radio communication, only
command tanks having it.

SteveW

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 23:12:48 -0000, "Kristy Ogilvie"
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:42:21 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Steve Walker" wrote in message
news
On 16/12/2018 19:49, Rod Speed wrote:


"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:37:49 -0000, newshound
wrote:

On 14/12/2018 18:22, Fred Johnson wrote:
People with colour blindness shouldn't drive trains (or cars for that
matter).

And it's not very many, in fact I know of only one person who's
colourblind.

You may not know *of* many but I bet you know quite a lot. It's about
8%
of men, although many of them do not realise that, or discover it until
tested later in life.

I think you'd notice when you saw all the traffic light bulbs looking
identical. You're not safe to drive if you can't tell red from green.

Very few are that colorblind and those who are
just use the position of the light, not the color.
Dunno how they go with those colored arrows
that are now so common to indicate when you
can turn at the more complex intersections tho.

Cant find a proper photo of ours and too lazy to
go there and take a photo, but we have some
where there is a normal column of 3 lights and
one arrow off to the side which changes color
to indicate when you are free to turn there.

Ours doesn't change colour. We have the normal three lights and maybe an
arrow at one side (sometimes both sides). If the main green is lit, but
not the turn arrow, you can turn anyway, but must give-way to oncoming
traffic. If the arrow is lit, oncoming traffic will be facing a red. There
is no need for any other colour arrows.

Where the turn lane is separated from the straight on lanes, two full sets
of three lights side by side are used.

One of our complicated intersections has the arrow either green or red.
Its red when the cross traffic has been allowed to make the turn into
that vertical of the T and so a turn from the other top bar of the T
isnt allowed because that would mean you have to give way at times.
In other words the lights don't require you to ever give way, the
arrow only shows green when there is never any conflicting traffic.

That would work well here, as a lot of drivers don't seem to understand that you have to give way on a green. For example there's a crossroads here I've shown befo
https://goo.gl/maps/8XGD49FnQPr
Drivers on the opposite side turning right have to give way to a car coming from this side going straight ahead, but they see the green light and just go. I drove straight towards one of those loonies the other week and blasted my horn. He swerved out of my way and ended up looking very embarrassed on the wrong side of the main road (about where the small silver car is in the photo, but facing the other way) right in front of the queue of traffic which shortly wanted to go forwards. He got stranded in the middle of the junction for some time while I stopped and laughed at his predicament.

Another complex intersection has a railway shunting line right
across it right at the lights. That one has an arrow that changes
color too and it stops or allows traffic to cut across the oncoming
traffic when turning. Its also a single arrow that changes color.

There's something wrong when we let trains have priority over cars. They need to get decent brakes.

I can't understand your Streetview link. The view is coming out of the
Aldi car park, and there is a turn left lane with a turn left arrow,
and a straight ahead lane. Are you truly saying that when when the
straight ahead light goes green and you drive out, the main road
lights are also green?
--
Dave W