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Old April 3rd 06, 03:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Paul Boyd wrote:
Mike Causer said the following on 03/04/2006 14:10:
Here's a new variation on the theme of making life difficult for cyclists,
and this time it's in the photo gallery offered by Cycling England --

http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...2&pic=184&sf=0


Mike


How about this for a smart idea?
http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...9&pic=141&sf=0


seems better than not excluding cycles from the one-way restriction.
At least it isn't a shared use pavement


http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...9&pic=144&sf=0 shows
why perhaps it isn't!


Shirley shows why it is a perfectly feasible idea. I might have opted
to cycle further out to force the oncoming traffic to stop but it is
not obvious that this is not what has happened anyway. This could
cause problems for a novice cyclist


I happen to know that
http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...&pic=169&sf=30 is
definitely not a happy place to be cycling - just behind the camera cars
turn left across across both the bus lane and the cycle lane. That ped
in the red jacket most certainly should not be where he is - in fact,
how and why did he get there?


I presume it is that ring road in bristol that goes across the end of
whatever the M32 ends up being (with the M32 behind the camera). Not
sure where the ped might be heading or /why/he ended up there but there
is not any reason why he /should/ not be there. I can imagine the road
could be intimidating to cycle on at times but from picture I would say
this wasn't one of them

Is this all meant to reassure the general public that lots of things are
being done to make cycling safer?


best wishes
james

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Old April 3rd 06, 04:10 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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dkahn400 wrote:

http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...2&pic=184&sf=0



That is without doubt the most evil-looking (official) barrier I've
ever seen. It should to be taken down quickly, before someone is very
seriously injured. It is so bad I'm having trouble convincing myself
it's unintentional. Some kind of malicious practical joke by an
anti-cycling engineer perhaps. What other rational explanation could
there be?

Maybe it's just me. Does anyone here think I'm over-stating the case?


No. Meet that unexpectedly in the dark, when your feeble lights
illuminate only the two retroreflectors on the support posts...

R.
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Old April 3rd 06, 04:29 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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However, it is a nice wide lane, it doesn't have to share with buses, it has
taken road space from car traffic not pedestrians ... the real issue is how
to deal with the left turns across it.

"Paul Boyd" wrote in message
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snip

I happen to know that
http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...&pic=169&sf=30 is
definitely not a happy place to be cycling - just behind the camera cars
turn left across across both the bus lane and the cycle lane. That ped in
the red jacket most certainly should not be where he is - in fact, how and
why did he get there?

Is this all meant to reassure the general public that lots of things are
being done to make cycling safer?

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Old April 3rd 06, 05:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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in message , Simon Bennett
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dkahn400 wrote:
What other rational explanation could
there be?

Maybe it's just me. Does anyone here think I'm over-stating the case?


I must admit, it looks pretty odd. And those reflectors; they are not
indicating the narrowest points of the passage at all! Could lead to
some nasty night-time njuries.


I honestly don't understand what the designers are trying to achieve?
While I agree they're dangerous, I just don't see what the point is.
What's worrying is the it looks as if Cycling England actually approve of
these.

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Old April 3rd 06, 05:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:10:54 +0100, Mike Causer
wrote:

Here's a new variation on the theme of making life difficult for cyclists,
and this time it's in the photo gallery offered by Cycling England --

http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...2&pic=184&sf=0


Here's an example of a place where cyclists turning left do not have to stop at
lights.

http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...=5&pic=83&sf=0

A few more of those and the critics who say that cyclists always ignore red
lights may at last start to be silenced.
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Old April 3rd 06, 05:22 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:16:44 +0100, Tom Crispin wrote:


Here's an example of a place where cyclists turning left do not have to
stop at lights.

http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...=5&pic=83&sf=0


On the face of it, that Keep Left bollard applies to all traffic, even
those too wide to fit....


Mike


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Old April 3rd 06, 05:38 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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"Mike Causer" wrote in message
newsan.2006.04.03.13.10.53.508454@firstnamelastn ame.com.invalid...
Here's a new variation on the theme of making life difficult for cyclists,
and this time it's in the photo gallery offered by Cycling England --

http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...2&pic=184&sf=0


Mike


The photo is credited to a Gordon Maclay - who used to be the cycling
officer for Harrogate Borough Council (I think he's left).

It does look kind of awful. On the other hand, it does look wheelchair
accessible...

Peter


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Old April 3rd 06, 06:00 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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dkahn400 wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:

I have a vision of the paddles whomping the cyclist, TombRaider stylee,
as they cycle through.


Actually they made me think of the old Lemmings computer game. A
blocker cyclist is needed to make all the cyclists behind him ride
round in circles until ramp-building cyclists have constructed a safe
way over the barrier. Anyone trying to ride through gets squished as
the paddles slam together.


They made me think you'd get a free dose of electro-convulsive therapy
as you passed through. Also, on the caption, they appear to have made a
typographical mess of "Narrow gate".

JimP

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Old April 3rd 06, 06:06 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:16:44 +0100 someone who may be Tom Crispin
wrote this:-

Here's an example of a place where cyclists turning left do not have to stop at
lights.

http://www.cyclingengland.co.uk/imag...=5&pic=83&sf=0


There does not appear to be a line for motorists to stop at. Are
they exempt, or is this one of the early York ASLs where there is a
separate traffic light for motorists?




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Old April 3rd 06, 06:24 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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dkahn400 wrote:
Actually they made me think of the old Lemmings computer game. A
blocker cyclist is needed to make all the cyclists behind him ride
round in circles until ramp-building cyclists have constructed a safe
way over the barrier. Anyone trying to ride through gets squished as
the paddles slam together.


You mean like this?
http://www.sayagain.co.uk/b3tapix/images/chopper.gif

peter

 




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