Lawyers lips

I discovered on my Specialized road bike, when my rear wheel came loose,
that it didn't have any lawyers lips. I thought these were mandatory on
bikes.

yawl changing the con tours?

googled at

http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/skills/fixflat.htm

Not on the rear...

Are you planning on suing?

Josh McClure
Durst Cycles

Not on the rear...

Are you planning on suing?

Josh McClure
Durst Cycles


No. none on the front either. The drop out seems kind of shallow. You
really have to tighten it. Does that seem normal?

I'd rather have the lawyers lips on my bike, and not in the back offices
of Specialized.

Callistus Valerius wrote:

I discovered on my Specialized road bike, when my rear wheel came
loose,
that it didn't have any lawyers lips. I thought these were mandatory
on
bikes.
....
none on the front either. The drop out seems kind of shallow. You
really have to tighten it. Does that seem normal?

First, how old is the bike? There was a blessed time when lawyers lips
did not exist.

Second, if by "kind of shallow" you mean the axle slot's depth, I just
measured one fork with lawyer lips and one without. The pre-lip fork
had an axle slot about 0.45" deep; the one with the lips, 0.75" deep.
The difference is for the lips to reach down below the quick release
parts.

Third, sometimes when you "really have to tighten it" it means the QR
mechanism needs disassembly and/or lubrication.

I'm assuming, of course, that you know how to use a quick release -
that it's not a wing nut!
http://www.bicyclinglife.com/HowTo/UseAQuickRelease.htm

I'd rather have the lawyers lips on my bike, and not in the back
offices
of Specialized.

I'd rather not have them. They protect people who haven't bothered to
learn to work the lever, but they mean we all have to re-adjust the
front QR each time we use it. And it makes using my roof rack a pain.

I grind 'em off.

"Callistus Valerius" wrote in message
nk.net...
Not on the rear...

Are you planning on suing?

Josh McClure
Durst Cycles


No. none on the front either. The drop out seems kind of shallow. You
really have to tighten it. Does that seem normal?

I'd rather have the lawyers lips on my bike, and not in the back
offices
of Specialized.

Go back to rbr where you belong.

JF

wrote:

....
I'd rather not have them [lawyers lips]. They protect people who haven't bothered to
learn to work the lever, but they mean we all have to re-adjust the
front QR each time we use it. And it makes using my roof rack a pain.

I grind 'em off.

It took me less than a minute on each side with a Dremel tool to remove
the lips from a Cro-Moly fork.

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:26 GMT, Callistus Valerius wrote:

I discovered on my Specialized road bike, when my rear wheel came loose,
that it didn't have any lawyers lips. I thought these were mandatory on
bikes.

Giant's 2003 alloy frame had them at the back, but their 2004 TCR carbon
frame doesn't. Both have them at the front, though.

--
bpo gallery at http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/mvw1/bpo

in kifer's article-lip's comes before "getting the tube out."

On 11 Mar 2005 18:57:36 -0800, wrote:


I'd rather not have them. They protect people who haven't bothered to
learn to work the lever, but they mean we all have to re-adjust the
front QR each time we use it. And it makes using my roof rack a pain.

I'd rather not have them either, and I've ground them off each of my
bikes that originally had them. However even if it makes using a roof
rack a pain there are benefits.

Last summer my girlfriend and I were out in Colorado on a
hiking/backpacking/cycling trip. We had our touring bikes on our roof
rack. While driving into Rocky Mountain National Park's Wild Basin
Ranger Station (on a horrible dirt road) Julie's Trek 520 (and older
model that never had Lawyer Lips), which had made it from Illinois,
fell off the rack. It appeared the wobbling down the dirt track had
worked the dropouts out of the fork clamp. Only the bike bra kept the
bike still attached to the car.

Fortunately no damage was done, so I REALLY tightened down the rack's
(GM re-branded Thule) skewer mechanism and proceeded. Meanwhile my
Fuji Touring Series with LLs ground down to vestigial appendages was
just fine.

Things were fine for the next week or so, until we'd just completed a
ride on the Glenwood Canyon Bike Trail. I was getting tired of
fighting with the tightness of the rack's fork clamp, so before we
left the Hanging Lake parking area, I loosened the clamp slightly,
making it about as tight as the clamp on my bike. Big mistake!

Traveling east on I-70 somewhere around Eagle, suddenly cars started
backing away from us and flashing their headlights. Julie looked over
from the passenger's seat and saw her bike hanging perpendicular to
the car. Once again the bike bra had saved the day, but this time her
left front dropout was bent. We pulled over and threw the bike into
the back of the SUV. She's never put that bike on the roof rack again.

I grind 'em off.

So here's a dilemma. We picked up Julie's newest bike (Trek 1500 WSD)
just Thursday. I was working on it Friday (installing bottle cages, a
new cyclocomputer, removing excess reflectors, etc.) and was very
tempted to attack the LLs, a temptation I've thus far resisted. As
much as I hate them, I'm pretty sure Julie might be concerned if
they're removed. My thinking is now running toward grinding them down
just enough so that a properly adjusted skewer can be removed, but
leaving just enough material so that the bike will never be able to
work its way out of a roof rack. :-|


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