OT--The Lawyers Did It

Bill C wrote:
Philip Holman wrote:
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
nk.net...
and now he's going to die.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4126154.stm

IQ = 76 but still not smart enough to deliberately flunk the test. What
kind of advice was he getting?

Phil H
Apparently about the same kind of help he got from the mental health
system. I think that sector of our health system is by far the most
screwed up. You'd think it'd occur to someone in government that
actually providing programs, monitoring and treatment is massively more
cost effective both in terms of money and lives, but **** no that's too
easy.
We as a society failed this kid and his victim, but they'll kill this
kid, and never even begin to address where the system blew it.
Guess I shouldn't expect it since a lot of States can't even take care
of the young children in their programs. Pretty sad state of affairs.
Bill C

Now there is an urban myth that has been repeated ad nauseum.

gwhite says...

And the lawyers here have seen their IQ's go down.

That's scary. So we can't execute them now?

wrote:
Bill C wrote:
Philip Holman wrote:
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
nk.net...
and now he's going to die.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4126154.stm

IQ = 76 but still not smart enough to deliberately flunk the test. What
kind of advice was he getting?

Phil H
Apparently about the same kind of help he got from the mental health
system. I think that sector of our health system is by far the most
screwed up. You'd think it'd occur to someone in government that
actually providing programs, monitoring and treatment is massively more
cost effective both in terms of money and lives, but **** no that's too
easy.
We as a society failed this kid and his victim, but they'll kill this
kid, and never even begin to address where the system blew it.
Guess I shouldn't expect it since a lot of States can't even take care
of the young children in their programs. Pretty sad state of affairs.
Bill C

Now there is an urban myth that has been repeated ad nauseum.

http://www.cambridge.org/uk/catalogu...sbn=0521580730
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/...ll/161/1/184-a
http://www.iop.kcl.ac.uk/iopweb/depa...aspx?locator=3
Quoted:
Broad Summary
There is now compelling evidence that persons with mental disorders are
at increased risk to engage in antisocial and criminal behaviours.

Though it looks like the school made some efforts in Atkin's case to
address these problems as early as second grade it obviously didn't
work out in this case and I can't find any details of what if any
treatment he had received in the past. No treatment is not going to be
a blanket cure all, but it's idiotic to pretend, or think that early
intervention and treatment aren't effective.
This is an area where I have access to lot's of info and have had to
watch incredible frustration from people trying to help keep kids out
of trouble. I have family that taught special education for years, and
a lawyer who specialized in Juvenile, and care and protection work
until she just had to do other things too out of frustration.
Mass. has one of the more comprehensive systems, but the funding, and
number of programs has shrunken drastically as they moved money into
the "punishment" side. Getting young people who have been identified as
needing treatment into programs can be almost impossible, and keeping
them there for longer than emergency services almost impossible, until
the next incident.
Even with my wife and I both being fairly well educated, navigating
the system was difficult, and we had tons of people in it who wanted to
help. I really don't know how someone coming from a situation with
little parental support, learning difficulties, and possibly other
problems would get enough help to make a difference. The case workers
are massively overloaded, the programs have been cut, and the system is
incredibly difficult to make work for kids at risk.
I'm not saying this is the only answer by any means, but it should
damn well be a lot bigger part of addressing young at risk people, and
young offenders.
I fully support "three strikes" laws for violent offenders, capital
punishment in limited cases and longer sentences, but that said there
needs to be much more treatment and rehab for first offenders, more
treatment when they are locked up, and more life skills classes. This
isn't going to end the problem, but it's been shown over and over that
it can, and does have a significant effect on reducing recidevism
rates. Just warehousing them, along with other criminals, where they
can network is not helping much.
Typos are a feature
Bill C

B. Lafferty wrote:
and now he's going to die.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4126154.stm

Supreme Court Justice Slams Death Penalty
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164970,00.html
He agrees about the lawyers:
Quoted:
He said Supreme Court cases have revealed that "a significant number of
defendants in capital cases have not been provided with fully competent
legal representation at trial."

Bill C

After have spent many years on this earth I have given up on rehabilitation
and other tricks that do not work to improve a malfunctioning brain. It is
in most cases a waste of funds and time. The only benefit is to those
administering the programs who seem to be well compensated monetarily if not
through personal satisfaction. I can understand their frustrations working
with something that has no or little chance of success..

Parenting is where the money needs to be spent. Those first years are where
things need to be fixed.

Ken



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Quoted:
Broad Summary
There is now compelling evidence that persons with mental disorders are
at increased risk to engage in antisocial and criminal behaviours.

Though it looks like the school made some efforts in Atkin's case to
address these problems as early as second grade it obviously didn't
work out in this case and I can't find any details of what if any
treatment he had received in the past. No treatment is not going to be
a blanket cure all, but it's idiotic to pretend, or think that early
intervention and treatment aren't effective.
This is an area where I have access to lot's of info and have had to
watch incredible frustration from people trying to help keep kids out
of trouble. I have family that taught special education for years, and
a lawyer who specialized in Juvenile, and care and protection work
until she just had to do other things too out of frustration.
Mass. has one of the more comprehensive systems, but the funding, and
number of programs has shrunken drastically as they moved money into
the "punishment" side. Getting young people who have been identified as
needing treatment into programs can be almost impossible, and keeping
them there for longer than emergency services almost impossible, until
the next incident.
Even with my wife and I both being fairly well educated, navigating
the system was difficult, and we had tons of people in it who wanted to
help. I really don't know how someone coming from a situation with
little parental support, learning difficulties, and possibly other
problems would get enough help to make a difference. The case workers
are massively overloaded, the programs have been cut, and the system is
incredibly difficult to make work for kids at risk.
I'm not saying this is the only answer by any means, but it should
damn well be a lot bigger part of addressing young at risk people, and
young offenders.
I fully support "three strikes" laws for violent offenders, capital
punishment in limited cases and longer sentences, but that said there
needs to be much more treatment and rehab for first offenders, more
treatment when they are locked up, and more life skills classes. This
isn't going to end the problem, but it's been shown over and over that
it can, and does have a significant effect on reducing recidevism
rates. Just warehousing them, along with other criminals, where they
can network is not helping much.
Typos are a feature
Bill C

Is he a sprinter or a climber?

Is he a sprinter or a climber?

On 7 Aug 2005 11:46:30 -0700, "Andre" wrote:

Is he a sprinter or a climber?


He's clearly a climber. The "Angels" are always the ones who die the
tragic death. Pure climber, I tell ya...

Andre wrote:
Is he a sprinter or a climber?]
Probably a climber since he seem to have a lot of patience.
Bill C

IMKen wrote:

After have spent many years on this earth I have given up on rehabilitation
and other tricks that do not work to improve a malfunctioning brain. It is
in most cases a waste of funds and time. The only benefit is to those
administering the programs who seem to be well compensated monetarily if not
through personal satisfaction. I can understand their frustrations working
with something that has no or little chance of success..

Parenting is where the money needs to be spent. Those first years are where
things need to be fixed.

Outrageous!

The reason the government programs fail is because they aren't funded
well enough!

The purpose of human civilisation is to treat all genes and memes as
equal in /result/!

All we need to solve our problems is more taxes and bigger government
programs!

Vote demopublican!