Riding a bicycle in traffic

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on
the
road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.

That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
[...]

I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken
drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe
some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just plain
running right over cyclists.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Givin the fact that with cell phones and all sorts of new added distractions
for drivers add alcohol to the mix and you have one of the most lethal
drivers on the road anyone could ever meet riding a bike.
Dave
http://www.noweldrecumbent.com


"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
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Edward Dolan wrote:
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I am on
the
road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells Bells, I drink myself
but I would NEVER drive after having a few drinks.

That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that
found that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while
intoxicated was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
[...]

I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of drunken
drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply would not believe
some of the accidents we have around here due to drunken drivers just
plain running right over cyclists.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"Edward Dolan" wrote:

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I
am on the road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells
Bells, I drink myself but I would NEVER drive after having a few
drinks.

That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that found
that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while intoxicated
was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
[...]

I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of
drunken drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply
would not believe some of the accidents we have around here due to
drunken drivers just plain running right over cyclists.

I don't recall any offhand, but we do have a lot of intoxicated drivers
in Minnesota. And an amazing amount of broken beer and liquor bottles
on Twin Cities roads on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Edward Dolan" wrote:

"Steven M. O'Neill" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
NYC, drunken drivers are the one thing that I fear the most when I
am on the road with motor vehicles. I am death on them. Hells
Bells, I drink myself but I would NEVER drive after having a few
drinks.

That might be a counterproductive fear. Here's a study that found
that during a 3-year period (1995-1998), driving while intoxicated
was a factor in only 4% of NYC bicyclist fatalities.
[...]

I can tell you from personal experience that there are plenty of
drunken drivers on the roads here in rural Minnesota. You simply
would not believe some of the accidents we have around here due to
drunken drivers just plain running right over cyclists.

I don't recall any offhand, but we do have a lot of intoxicated drivers
in Minnesota. And an amazing amount of broken beer and liquor bottles
on Twin Cities roads on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

The very worst accidents (motorized murder really) occur in the rural areas
of the state, not in the cities.

Here is a tale to wrap your mind around.

There was this guy who has just gotten a brand new super-duper motorcycle,
was out all night drinking, got back on his motorcycle and went speeding
down the highway in the dark. A dog wandered out on to the highway and he
hit the dog. They were picking up pieces of him and the dog for the rest of
the night well into the morning hours. They figured he must have been going
at least 120 miles per hour when he hit the dog. Hey, just another day here
on the high prairie of southern Minnesota.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Just more proof of my theory that cyclists don't need to have laws enforced
against them. Physics is a far crueler enforcer. You want to run red
lights, and other bonehead moves? Go ahead, your funeral.


"NYC XYZ" wrote in message
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Janet wrote:


Drunk bicyclists can be a danger to themselves. Many years ago, someone
I knew was stopped at a red light (in her car) and was run into by a
bicycle. Seems the bicyclist was out bar-hopping and didn't want to
drive (ok, that part is a smart move), but he got so drunk he rode right
into the side of her car (put a nice dent it in). He ended up with a
trip to the emergency room.

Janet


Wow, that's kind of funny, actually. (Ahem.) I hope he paid for the
damage, as well as fined and whatnot.

I never understood the beer thing at the end of a bike ride (or kayak
trip, for that matter). I never understood alcohol to begin with,
actually. What the hell kind of celebration is that, taking gulps and
gulps of Nyquil???

Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:

"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"

One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in his
Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived but
later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.

Jobst Brandt

On 24 Sep 2006 22:38:15 GMT, wrote:

Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:

"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"

One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in his
Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived but
later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.

Jobst Brandt

I thought he hit another car, IIRC.

R Brickston wrote:
On 24 Sep 2006 22:38:15 GMT, wrote:

Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:

"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"

One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived
but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.

Jobst Brandt

I thought he hit another car, IIRC.

http://members.aol.com/jaydeebee1/memorial.html

Rick Brickston writes:

Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:

"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"

One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived
but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.

I thought he hit another car, IIRC.

Almost. He approached a Y-intersection where an opposing car did not
recognize how fast the race car was approaching and crossed in front
of Dean. To avoid a head-on he swerved and rolled the car. I had the
opportunity to work with Rolf Wütherich at Porsche and hear the
account first hand. Rolf was an amazing character who had been with
racing at Porsche most of the time he worked there. A super smart
racing mechanic and a valuable asset to that part of the company.

Jobst Brandt

On 25 Sep 2006 01:14:34 GMT, wrote:

Rick Brickston writes:

Interestingly, James Dean in an interview with Gig Young said:

"Drive safely, the life you save may be your own!"

One week later he died in a one-car crash on September 30, 1955 in
his Porsche 550 Spyder while his passenger, Rolf Wütherich survived
but later crashed fatally in Germany in 1981.

I thought he hit another car, IIRC.

Almost. He approached a Y-intersection where an opposing car did not
recognize how fast the race car was approaching and crossed in front
of Dean. To avoid a head-on he swerved and rolled the car. I had the
opportunity to work with Rolf Wütherich at Porsche and hear the
account first hand. Rolf was an amazing character who had been with
racing at Porsche most of the time he worked there. A super smart
racing mechanic and a valuable asset to that part of the company.

Jobst Brandt

By all accounts I've just read, the driver of the other car, Donald
Turnupseed, says Dean collided into his:

http://www.jamesdeanindeath.com/images/accident-6.jpg

Also, Turnupseed had injuries for some reason and someone in the last
50 years would have had to review the official police accident report.