"Humans 'very likely' making earth warmer" is wrong

no spam wrote:

Where lanes are narrow I use the full lane and force motorists to wait
behind me. So for me, there is no easier or harder roads. There is always
plenty of room for my 2 foot wide bike.


Now there's something smart to do. Let's see if we can **** off someone
in control of 2000+ pounds of car while I'm on a bicycle. I've had
people in cars try to push me out of the way when I was driving a loaded
grain truck doing 45 mph. I don't want to think what they would do if I
were on a bicycle.

I suggest you not ride a bike, because motorists obviously hate you.
Either that, or carry some grain you can offer. Perhaps the driver was
hungry and wanted your booty.


So you are saying that you have NEVER had a problem with a dangerous driver?
If so you are very luckily.



Yes, I've had motorists mess with me. But that doesn't mean I'm going to
change my behavior. They've messed with me no matter how I've ridden, so
I do what reduces my overall risk, which is, counterintuitively, to use
more space, not less.

Wayne

On Feb 13, 2:17 pm, "no spam" wrote:
Where lanes are narrow I use the full lane and force motorists to wait
behind me. So for me, there is no easier or harder roads. There is always
plenty of room for my 2 foot wide bike.

Now there's something smart to do. Let's see if we can **** off someone
in control of 2000+ pounds of car while I'm on a bicycle. I've had
people in cars try to push me out of the way when I was driving a loaded
grain truck doing 45 mph. I don't want to think what they would do if I
were on a bicycle.

I suggest you not ride a bike, because motorists obviously hate you.
Either that, or carry some grain you can offer. Perhaps the driver was
hungry and wanted your booty.

So you are saying that you have NEVER had a problem with a dangerous driver?
If so you are very luckily.

This is typical SUV behavior on our Darwinistic roads...

http://www.enricovalenza.com/img/carn.jpg

Bikes better use same survival strategy as early mammals: hide away

While they pollute our beloved earth and talk about the end of times,
we can't claim our place under the sun. The asteroid must come soon.

On Tue, "no spam" wrote:

Mea culpa, it seems that I failed make my point clear. My point is there
can be million of them in the US because the unskilled bums don't have to
work because they can sit at home and the government will pay them.

Not able and healthy men or women, the welfare
program was redesigned 10 or 15 years ago (or more),
and by the end of the Clinton administration, all able
bodied people were removed.

There are quite a few reasons a person of working
age can get some type of benefit, single mothers may be
the biggest group, the concern is for the children.

Since they have a great job working for the government they are not looking
for jobs and therefore not counted in the unemployment numbers. This is
where all the "totally unskilled who dont want to work" are.

Not at all, there are essentially no people like that
in the US, unless they have falsified some type of medical
condition.
In fact, there are very few people that don't have a
job or self employment. Inner cities may be a little
different, and there are a lot of homeless, there are
even homeless who work, but can't make enough
to pay the deposits and rent in advance to have
a place to live in some areas.

Affordability of heating fuel and rental homes
and apartments is a serious problem, and it can
only get worse.

There are a number of well trained and willing
workers who are not employed regularly, alcohol and
drugs are a big problem.
But chances are it is relatives that are feeding
them, not the state or federal government.

Joe Fischer

On Tue, "no spam" wrote:

Fourth, there is no way the SS system will last much longer. When it
reaches the point where you have just 2 or 3 workers to support one SS
recipient AND welfare AND the rest of the other government expenses they
will just say 'screw this'.

Fortunately there are also self employed paying
into social security. There are a very large number
of people who do pay SS withholding taxes, but they
effectively contribute nothing because they get a tax
credit for having kids.

There is already a fairly large 'under the
table' and barter economy going out there that is not taxed now. How large
do you thing its going to get when 50+% of wages are going to taxes?

It is already 50+ for many people, for very successful
self employed, the tax rate is 33 percent on the amount over
a certain amount, and the self employment SS taxes are
15.3 percent, plus local and state income tax and sales
tax on some things and real estate tax and personal
property tax.
And if they have employees, there is state and
federal unemployment tax, 7.65 percent SS contribution
on all of the employee earnings, plus workers compensation
taxes,

Fabian socialism has been making advances, and
is causing problems with the free economy, and apparently
that is exactly the objective of Fabian socialism.

And because of all this, the artificially high gasoline
prices are have more of an effect than otherwise.

Joe Fischer

"Joe Fischer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, "no spam" wrote:

Fourth, there is no way the SS system will last much longer. When it
reaches the point where you have just 2 or 3 workers to support one SS
recipient AND welfare AND the rest of the other government expenses they
will just say 'screw this'.

Fortunately there are also self employed paying
into social security. There are a very large number
of people who do pay SS withholding taxes, but they
effectively contribute nothing because they get a tax
credit for having kids.

There is already a fairly large 'under the
table' and barter economy going out there that is not taxed now. How
large
do you thing its going to get when 50+% of wages are going to taxes?

It is already 50+ for many people, for very successful
self employed, the tax rate is 33 percent on the amount over
a certain amount, and the self employment SS taxes are
15.3 percent, plus local and state income tax and sales
tax on some things and real estate tax and personal
property tax.

The very succesful self employed have smart accountants and pay less tax as
a percentage of income than joe public.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
no spam wrote:

True Christians have two rules to follow (if someone isn't
following them then it doesn't matter what name they use)
those rules a Love God completely and love your neighbor
as you love yourself.

How odd that that fool that was stupid enough to get
nailed up by the romans didnt say anything like that.

Your ignorance is showing, where do you think it comes from?

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

That fool never ever said that there are just those two rules.

Really,

Yep.

what other rules did he say there were?

Even you cant actually be THAT stupid.

IOW, there are no others or you would have posted them.

Guess which pathetic little rabid fundy has just got egg all over
its pathetic little face, as always ?

Even someone as stupid as you must have noticed the one about the
eye of the needle.

Then there's the one about throwing stones too.

They aint the only ones either.

You are funny.

You are pathetic.

You are pathetic.

Corse this wouldnt be you repeating yourself would it ?

Those are called parables and they are not rules.

Bull**** with that throwing stones line.

Which is related to the two rules,

Nope.

Sure it is.

if you love your neighbor like you love yourself you aren't going to
stone them.

Mindlessly silly. Stoning to death is one of punishments for some
crimes, it aint just throwing stones at your neighbours, fool.

I think I may see part of your problem. Let me explain Christians are not
required to follow the old Jewish laws therefore we are not required to
stone anyone.


Think of it this way;

Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought, fundy.

You are the one who relies on insults and catch phases.


in football you have a rule that covers all personal fouls not one rule
against kicking an opponent, another against late hits, another against
giving weggies, etc.

Irrelevant to stoning to death for adultery, fool.

See this is where you need to think a little. See we started this talking
about how throwing stones and the two rules. I pointed out how it was
covered then used the football rules to maybe make it simple enough for you
to understand. I guess even football rules are a bit over your head. I'm
sorry but I don't remember the rules to candyland or I might be able to come
up with a rule you know.


Parables are told to show how you should live up to the only two
rules you are to follow.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Thank you for helping proving my point.

No thanks for that pathetic excuse for bull****.

You did it again.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.

You examples proved that there are only two rules that Christians
have to follow.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, rabid fundy.

At least you are using a new phrase.


Try reading the Bible yourself.

Been there, done that,

And that's why you can't tell me any more rules Christ pointed out.

Just did.

You tried. And failed. Want to try again?

Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag.

Because they ain't in there.

Fraid so.

Prove it.

Just did.

And I unproved your proof.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed rabid fundy fantasyland.

Oh well, I guess coming up with more than one new phrase per day would tax
your brain.


So try again.

Go and **** yourself.

Classic example of the weak minded who can't support their side, insult.
What's calling me another name and next running away?

Another example to show your docs of you repeating yourself.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

Only in response to someone who does it.

Bare faced lie, obvious from your posts to others today alone.

Again you need to show proof,

I just did, your posts to others that day alone.

I don't see it here, how can I defend my statements if I can't see them?


I may restate a point because I think someone didn't get it the first
time but I don't keep using the same phrase over and over and over.

Bare faced lie.

More insults. good job


That and insulting people instead of trying to support your position is a
sign of a small mind.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?

I only deliberately insult people who have insulted me and when I do I tend
to use their own insults, or similar ones. People maybe insulted by my
opinions or the conclusions I have drawn from their own statements.


You're so stupid that you havent even noticed
that you did precisely that yourself right there.

And when I talk to a 5 year old I use a lot of small words and when I talk
to a moron I tend to repeat his words back to him that way I'm fairly sure
he understands them.

Fourth, there is no way the SS system will last much longer. When it
reaches the point where you have just 2 or 3 workers to support one SS
recipient AND welfare AND the rest of the other government expenses they
will just say 'screw this'.

Fortunately there are also self employed paying
into social security. There are a very large number
of people who do pay SS withholding taxes, but they
effectively contribute nothing because they get a tax
credit for having kids.

My point still stands. The system can not be supported much longer. The
drain will be just too much.


There is already a fairly large 'under the
table' and barter economy going out there that is not taxed now. How
large
do you thing its going to get when 50+% of wages are going to taxes?

It is already 50+ for many people, for very successful
self employed, the tax rate is 33 percent on the amount over
a certain amount, and the self employment SS taxes are
15.3 percent, plus local and state income tax and sales
tax on some things and real estate tax and personal
property tax.
And if they have employees, there is state and
federal unemployment tax, 7.65 percent SS contribution
on all of the employee earnings, plus workers compensation
taxes,

True but when Joe Smuck can look at his pay stub and see he's only bring
home $1 out of every $2 he's worked for I think things will change. For one
thing if he's getting that big of a shaft think how much the people you are
talking about are getting. They'll have to raise the top tax rate to 90%
again.

Fourth, there is no way the SS system will last much longer. When it
reaches the point where you have just 2 or 3 workers to support one SS
recipient AND welfare AND the rest of the other government expenses they
will just say 'screw this'.

Fortunately there are also self employed paying
into social security. There are a very large number
of people who do pay SS withholding taxes, but they
effectively contribute nothing because they get a tax
credit for having kids.

There is already a fairly large 'under the
table' and barter economy going out there that is not taxed now. How
large
do you thing its going to get when 50+% of wages are going to taxes?

It is already 50+ for many people, for very successful
self employed, the tax rate is 33 percent on the amount over
a certain amount, and the self employment SS taxes are
15.3 percent, plus local and state income tax and sales
tax on some things and real estate tax and personal
property tax.

The very succesful self employed have smart accountants and pay less tax
as a percentage of income than joe public.

With all the tax software out there anyone with a computer can pay a lot
less than the advertised rate.

no spam wrote:
Fourth, there is no way the SS system will last much longer. When
it reaches the point where you have just 2 or 3 workers to support
one SS recipient AND welfare AND the rest of the other government
expenses they will just say 'screw this'.

Fortunately there are also self employed paying
into social security. There are a very large number
of people who do pay SS withholding taxes, but they
effectively contribute nothing because they get a tax
credit for having kids.

My point still stands. The system can not be supported much longer. The drain will be just too
much.

You fools have been claiming that for decades now. It carrys on regardless.

There is already a fairly large 'under the
table' and barter economy going out there that is not taxed now. How large
do you thing its going to get when 50+% of wages are going to taxes?

It is already 50+ for many people, for very successful
self employed, the tax rate is 33 percent on the amount over
a certain amount, and the self employment SS taxes are
15.3 percent, plus local and state income tax and sales
tax on some things and real estate tax and personal
property tax.
And if they have employees, there is state and
federal unemployment tax, 7.65 percent SS contribution
on all of the employee earnings, plus workers compensation
taxes,

True but when Joe Smuck can look at his pay stub and see he's only
bring home $1 out of every $2 he's worked for I think things will change.

Have fun explaining why it didnt in europe when that happened.

And it wont get to that rate in the US anyway.

For one thing if he's getting that big of a shaft

Wont happen, you watch.

think how much the people you are talking about are getting.

Neither will that.

They'll have to raise the top tax rate to 90% again.

Not a chance, you watch.

Fourth, there is no way the SS system will last much longer. When
it reaches the point where you have just 2 or 3 workers to support
one SS recipient AND welfare AND the rest of the other government
expenses they will just say 'screw this'.

Fortunately there are also self employed paying
into social security. There are a very large number
of people who do pay SS withholding taxes, but they
effectively contribute nothing because they get a tax
credit for having kids.

My point still stands. The system can not be supported much longer. The
drain will be just too much.

You fools have been claiming that for decades now. It carrys on
regardless.

Because the numbers don't lie. Demographics show that the number of
retirees will soon be near equal to the number of tax payers. Right now it
is limping along on life support by sucking money out of the general fund
because the dems sucked the SS fund dry many years ago.

BTW, do you know why the retirement age was set at 65? It was because the
average life spand was, IIRC, 62. That meant that most people were supposed
to die before they could get any money. IOW, it was set up by FDR as a
money maker for the government.


There is already a fairly large 'under the
table' and barter economy going out there that is not taxed now. How
large
do you thing its going to get when 50+% of wages are going to taxes?

It is already 50+ for many people, for very successful
self employed, the tax rate is 33 percent on the amount over
a certain amount, and the self employment SS taxes are
15.3 percent, plus local and state income tax and sales
tax on some things and real estate tax and personal
property tax.
And if they have employees, there is state and
federal unemployment tax, 7.65 percent SS contribution
on all of the employee earnings, plus workers compensation
taxes,

True but when Joe Smuck can look at his pay stub and see he's only
bring home $1 out of every $2 he's worked for I think things will change.

Have fun explaining why it didnt in europe when that happened.

It is happening. Look at France and Germany. The had RIOTS because the
government is trying to trim back some of the goodies the government gives
out because there's not enough money to pay for them. And this with the US
paying for most of their defence from the 40's.


And it wont get to that rate in the US anyway.

Why not, is there going to be a big die off of old people?


For one thing if he's getting that big of a shaft

Wont happen, you watch.

I will be. There's a chance that what will happen will make the retirement
problems in the former USSR look like a mild recession.


think how much the people you are talking about are getting.

Neither will that.

They'll have to raise the top tax rate to 90% again.

Not a chance, you watch.

yeah and the income tax will only be applied to the top 1% money makers and
your SS number will never be used as a ID number and he never had sexual
relations with that woman and man will never fly. . .