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Shimano, IMBA Release MTB Economics "Study" (Read "Lies")
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS
wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again. Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike." LIAR: “We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping people healthy,” said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with the 33 million that golf. What they didn't say was that many of those mountain bikes are not ridden off-road, and that in fact many could not be ridden off road for very long before falling apart, being of the Target/Wal-Mart variety. "http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/cycle/sac/us/en/news_and_information/news0/shimano_and_imba_release.html" It's a good cause that Shimano's become involved in since scientific research has shown mountain biking to be a low impact environmentally sustainable activity with no more impact on natural resources than hiking, and far less than many other recreational activities. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Shimano, IMBA Release MTB Economics "Study" (Read "Lies")
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again. Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike." LIAR: Idiot "We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping people healthy," said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with the 33 million that golf. What they didn't say was that many of those mountain bikes are not ridden off-road, and that in fact many could not be ridden off road for very long before falling apart, being of the Target/Wal-Mart variety. "http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/cycle/sac/us/en/news_and_information/news0/shimano_and_imba_release.html" It's a good cause that Shimano's become involved in since scientific research has shown mountain biking to be a low impact environmentally sustainable activity with no more impact on natural resources than hiking, and far less than many other recreational activities. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). What's the point ?? How do you work on it if it is off limits to humans ?? Want to help? NO ! (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) How'd that work out for ya ??? Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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Shimano, IMBA Release MTB Economics "Study" (Read "Lies")
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again. Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike." LIAR: "We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping people healthy," said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with the 33 million that golf. You are an idiot of the highest order. Well, the idiot of the very highest order is the guy that bestowed you with a PhD, but I digress. Shimano has no way to know that all of the mountain bikes that are built with its gear sets ever get used on a trail. Indeed, there at least a dozen mountain bikes in my extended family that never ever get on dirt except for where the grass is not growing on the atheletic field at the school they attend. Justy because a gear set is built and installed on a mountain bike 50 million times does not mean that there are 50 million mountain bikes plying the trails of America. Indeed, there is strong evidence that thet majority of them are sold at WalMart and have no capacity to actually leave the sidewalk, where YOU assert they belong in the first place. Idiot. |
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Shimano, IMBA Release MTB Economics "Study" (Read "Lies")
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:06:11 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS wrote: Jeff Strickland wrote: Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again. Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike." LIAR: "We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping people healthy," said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with the 33 million that golf. You are an idiot of the highest order. Well, the idiot of the very highest order is the guy that bestowed you with a PhD, but I digress. Shimano has no way to know that all of the mountain bikes that are built with its gear sets ever get used on a trail. Exactly! Which why that is a LIE. DUHHHHH! You are amazing(ly dumb)! Indeed, there at least a dozen mountain bikes in my extended family that never ever get on dirt except for where the grass is not growing on the atheletic field at the school they attend. Justy because a gear set is built and installed on a mountain bike 50 million times does not mean that there are 50 million mountain bikes plying the trails of America. Indeed, there is strong evidence that thet majority of them are sold at WalMart and have no capacity to actually leave the sidewalk, where YOU assert they belong in the first place. Idiot. -- I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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