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Happy Bachetta and P38 owners ?
The Strada is about $1000 cheaper than the P38 and 1.7 kilos (about a pound)
heavier. I would expect the twin 650 Strada to roll a bit freer and wonder if fitting a $1000 wheelset to a Strada would make it a better ride than the P38. (Better = faster, smoother.) One review of the Strada mentioned quality control problems. The P38 is a "system" bike - mature and with excellent choice of accessories. Are there any other Can I get owners of either to engage in an educational battle on the merits or otherwise of either. Paul W The search goes on...... |
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The riding positions on these two bikes are _completely_ different. You have ridden them and don't prefer one over the other? -- John Riley |
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You have ridden them and don't prefer one over the other?
Thanks John. I'm in Australia and have no opportunity to ride any 2 wheel recumbents. This means I have to rely on reviews, opinions and any other info I can dredge up. It's less than ideal, but it worked for my trike, which has been very succesful (MR Components Swift and Swiftlet.) Now I've "discovered" the RANS Force 5 XP - but there's a couple for sale and that's a bad sign...! I favour the P38, but I'm a little concerned about the 20 inch front wheel. It should roll fine with a Tioga Comp Pool (we have rough chipseal surfaces.) I'm an older rider, so a more upright position would be more suitable. Also the P38 is a "mature" design with good accessories. It's pricey though. Paul W |
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"Paul W" wrote in message ...
The larger front wheel of the Bachetta will have considerably less rollover resistance than the 20 inch on the P38 and Australia roads are often lightly travelled chipseal - which is very rough. Sorry, I didn't figure out from your address that you were in Aus. Just to muddy the waters some more, if you are concerned about rough chipseal, maybe you should consider the Giro 26. Wide tires could be fitted, if necessary. This bike is fairly tall, so you should be too ;-) The P-38 has a fairly tight riding angle, and you can get r-butt. If you are tall enough, I think the Giro 26 would offer a lot of flexibility and options. John Riley |
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"Paul W" wrote in message ... correction here....1.7 Kilos is NOT (about a pound) try 1 Kilo = 3.75 pounds Wrong - 1 kilo is 2.2 pounds Doug Thomas Welland, Ontario |
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"Paul W" wrote in message ... correction here....1.7 Kilos is NOT (about a pound) try 1 Kilo = 3.75 pounds Thanks Harv and Joshua.... repeat with me, I must not confuse the * with the / ! According to Bicycle Science, 1 kilo added weight reduces average speed by 1/3 rd kph. That will be an approximation depending on terrain and in any case I'm too old for racing! The larger front wheel of the Bachetta will have considerably less rollover resistance than the 20 inch on the P38 and Australia roads are often lightly travelled chipseal - which is very rough. Then there's the RANS Force 5 XP which I've just stumbled onto.... Aaarhghhh I haven't ridden the bikes your are interested in, but as Mr. Riley pointed out they offer very different in riding positions. They are at different extremes. As an "older rider" are you sure you want that? Have you considered a lwb...Tour Easy, Stratus or maybe a V2? Nothing extreme there. They are comfortable and easy to ride. Seems to me one of them would be a safer bet if you aren't able to test ride and haven't ever ridden a two wheel recumbent. On the other hand you can always sell the bike if you don't like it and get something else - but that can get a bit expensive and time consuming after a while. Disclaimer - I prefer lwb to swb because of the annoying numb toes issue a few of us unfortunates have with swb high bottom bracket bikes. |
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On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 12:01:12 -0500, Joshua Goldberg wrote:
correction here....1.7 Kilos is NOT (about a pound) try 1 Kilo = 3.75 pounds correction here... 1 kg ~= 2.2046226 lb avoirdupois If you know how many pounds are in a ton (long ton in the USA) it's easy 1 tonne ~= 1 (long) ton or 1000kg ~= 2240 lb Which is close enough for most purposes (actually I can usually remember to switch the 4 and the 0 :-) Mike |
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Skip said:
Disclaimer - I prefer lwb to swb because of the annoying numb toes issue a few of us unfortunates have with swb high bottom bracket bikes. I didn't have problems with the high BB on my trike unless I had the laces or straps too tight. Unless it's very cold, I wear Shimano SPD sandals and for me they're very comfortable. I seem to get more power from a high BB and there are some studies that back this up - and the reduction in front profile is useful too. My latest trike has a low BB and it's taking a while to get used to - it may be just muscle accomodation, but I don't feel as relaxed at the moment (1200 kms.) One comment I'd make about the dual 700c high racers is that they're farther above the ground which means higher wind speeds and falling off would be unpleasant compared to (say) the P 38 or any bent that puts the rider close to the ground. My first 'bent was a home built LWB Tour Easy kinda clone. It was comfortable. Paul W |
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"Paul W" wrote in message ... Skip said: Disclaimer - I prefer lwb to swb because of the annoying numb toes issue a few of us unfortunates have with swb high bottom bracket bikes. I didn't have problems with the high BB on my trike unless I had the laces or straps too tight. Unless it's very cold, I wear Shimano SPD sandals and for me they're very comfortable. I seem to get more power from a high BB and there are some studies that back this up - and the reduction in front profile is useful too. My latest trike has a low BB and it's taking a while to get used to - it may be just muscle accomodation, but I don't feel as relaxed at the moment (1200 kms.) One comment I'd make about the dual 700c high racers is that they're farther above the ground which means higher wind speeds and falling off would be unpleasant compared to (say) the P 38 or any bent that puts the rider close to the ground. My first 'bent was a home built LWB Tour Easy kinda clone. It was comfortable. Paul W Sorry, but I interpreted your second post as saying you had never ridden a two wheel recumbent and my post was based on that assumption. I agree you can get more power out of a high BB bike. I seem to feel the extra power when my feet are higher than my hip. However, my main interest is touring and for me the neither the extra power or the comfort offered by the high BB bike is sustainable over the course of a long ride. LWB low BB works best for me. I've owned a couple of RANS bikes and had no problems whatsoever with them or the company. Bachetta makes also makes an excellent product and offers excellent service from what I've read. Company service on the P38 seems to run hot and cold - if that's a consideration for you I would advise some research on the matter. I think P38 frames have been beefed up sufficiently that frame failure isn't a problem these days. Good luck. Let us know how it goes with whatever you end up getting. |
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"Paul W" wrote in message ...
Skip said: Disclaimer - I prefer lwb to swb because of the annoying numb toes issue a few of us unfortunates have with swb high bottom bracket bikes. I didn't have problems with the high BB on my trike unless I had the laces or straps too tight. Unless it's very cold, I wear Shimano SPD sandals and for me they're very comfortable. I'll ditto that. I switched from a SWB Lightning to a LWB Tour Easy a couple years back. I started having numb toes *after* the switch. I had also switched shoes and was tieing the laces extra-tight. After breaking in the shoes and loosening the laces a bit, numb toes went away. Jeff |
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