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Bike boxes - a failed experiment
On 10/19/2012 12:48 PM, Dan O wrote:
On Oct 19, 9:28 am, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote: Per Dan O: But a few drivers have issues that manifest. The one that almost nailed me a few years back was a pickup truck towing one of those trailers used by lawn service providers full of lawn equipment. He had not tied down the walk-behind mowers and they had rolled to one side of the trailer so that their handles protruded out a couple of feet wider then the 8-trailer. I'm pretty sure I felt the handle that almost got me graze my neck. I got right-hooked by a rig exactly like that - I was in the gravel dodging the handle. We were riding through some rural farm land (lot of that around Quebec) and down a winding 2 lane road. A pickup was coming toward us but there was no problem, we were in our lane, he was in his. No shoulders whatsoever. He slowed when he came abreast of us to turn into his driveway and one of the horses that we was trailing behind the truck was too loosely tethered and walked into our path. Was a near miss. Wasn't the only hook that I've had but one of the more interesting ones. |
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Bike boxes - a failed experiment
On Oct 19, 12:28*pm, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Dan O: But a few drivers have issues that manifest. The one that almost nailed me a few years back was a pickup truck towing one of those trailers used by lawn service providers full of lawn equipment. He had not tied down the walk-behind mowers and they had rolled to one side of the trailer so that their handles protruded out a couple of feet wider then the 8-trailer. I'm pretty sure I felt the handle that almost got me graze my neck. I watch those guys very carefully, including when I see one in my mirror. IME, their trailers are often wider than their trucks, and their driving standards are nowhere near those of most pro truckers. - Frank Krygowski |
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On 10-19-2012 10:51, Dan O wrote:
paved shoulder (all well and fine so far). Most drivers go well around (many leaving their lane completely) - all well and fine so Not always "well and fine." I'm content with three or four feet of clearance. When a motorist goes to the far side of the road to give me fifteen feet of clearance when he can't see over the hill, I begin to wonder about my risk of encountering airborne car parts. -- Wes Groleau Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise according to his own conceit. — Solomon Are you saying there's no good way to answer a fool? — Groleau |
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On Oct 19, 10:24 pm, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 10-19-2012 10:51, Dan O wrote: paved shoulder (all well and fine so far). Most drivers go well around (many leaving their lane completely) - all well and fine so Not always "well and fine." I'm content with three or four feet of clearance. When a motorist goes to the far side of the road to give me fifteen feet of clearance when he can't see over the hill, I begin to wonder about my risk of encountering airborne car parts. Idiot |
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On Oct 19, 10:25 pm, Dan O wrote:
On Oct 19, 10:24 pm, Wes Groleau wrote: On 10-19-2012 10:51, Dan O wrote: paved shoulder (all well and fine so far). Most drivers go well around (many leaving their lane completely) - all well and fine so Not always "well and fine." I'm content with three or four feet of clearance. When a motorist goes to the far side of the road to give me fifteen feet of clearance when he can't see over the hill, I begin to wonder about my risk of encountering airborne car parts. Idiot I'm really sorry; that was inappropriate response; but I'm not so idiotic that I want such circumstances to develop. Did you read the part where I said I ride miles uphill smack dab on the fog line? I *want* cars to pass me (carefully) with a few feet of clearance - to get on their way so I am not subject to the slow moving vehicle law which would require me to use a turnout, and then have to make an uphill standing start again. |
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On 10-20-2012 12:49, Dan O wrote:
On Oct 19, 10:25 pm, Dan O wrote: On Oct 19, 10:24 pm, Wes Groleau wrote: On 10-19-2012 10:51, Dan O wrote: paved shoulder (all well and fine so far). Most drivers go well around (many leaving their lane completely) - all well and fine so Not always "well and fine." I'm content with three or four feet of clearance. When a motorist goes to the far side of the road to give me fifteen feet of clearance when he can't see over the hill, I begin to wonder about my risk of encountering airborne car parts. Idiot I think I'd just say he was unwise. I'm really sorry; that was inappropriate response; Yes, it was. but I'm not so idiotic that I want such circumstances to develop. Did Are you suggesting that I do? -- Wes Groleau Guidelines for judging others: 1. Don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. 2. Don't attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by ignorance. 3. Don't attribute to ignorance that which can be adequately explained by misunderstanding. 4. Don't attribute to misunderstanding that which can be adequately explained by alcohol. |
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On Oct 20, 5:33*pm, Wes Groleau wrote:
* Guidelines for judging others: * 1. Don't attribute to malice that which * * *can be adequately explained by stupidity. * 2. Don't attribute to stupidity that which * * *can be adequately explained by ignorance. * 3. Don't attribute to ignorance that which * * *can be adequately explained by misunderstanding. * 4. Don't attribute to misunderstanding that which * * *can be adequately explained by alcohol. Good advice! - Frank Krygowski |
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On Oct 20, 2:33 pm, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 10-20-2012 12:49, Dan O wrote: On Oct 19, 10:25 pm, Dan O wrote: On Oct 19, 10:24 pm, Wes Groleau wrote: On 10-19-2012 10:51, Dan O wrote: paved shoulder (all well and fine so far). Most drivers go well around (many leaving their lane completely) - all well and fine so Not always "well and fine." I'm content with three or four feet of clearance. When a motorist goes to the far side of the road to give me fifteen feet of clearance when he can't see over the hill, I begin to wonder about my risk of encountering airborne car parts. Idiot I think I'd just say he was unwise. I'm really sorry; that was inappropriate response; Yes, it was. but I'm not so idiotic that I want such circumstances to develop. Did Are you suggesting that I do? It seemed that by disagreeing with my "(all well and fine so far)", which was part of my story about my experience with cars passing me with ample visibility ahead and "both lanes... empty", you seemed to be implying that maybe *I* do, which would be idiocy. Guidelines for judging others: 1. Don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. 2. Don't attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by ignorance. 3. Don't attribute to ignorance that which can be adequately explained by misunderstanding. 4. Don't attribute to misunderstanding that which can be adequately explained by alcohol. ~Good joke. |
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Bike boxes - a failed experiment
On Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:32:19 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
Hans Monderman showed pretty conclusively that when people are made to figure things out for themselves, traffic gets both safer and more efficient. This is related to another documented effect of bike lanes: closer passing by motorists. They seem to think the stripe guarantees the bicyclist will never leave the bike lane, even if it's filled with broken glass, potholes, car junk. We have very few bike lanes where I live, but on highways with fog lines, I often make a point of riding a bit left, then a bit right of the fog line, so motorists know that it's not an impermeable barrier. I'm convinced they give me more room as a result. - Frank Krygowski Frank, I think in areas of cross and merging traffic that indeed it is best to have no bicycle lane markings. But I find them usually better in traffic areas in straight lines since otherwise traffic weaves back and forth filling the entire available space as if car doors won't open nor bicycles exist. Of course as you point out you sometimes have to jump out into traffic at the last minute as you come up on a pothole, broken glass or someone's girlfriend tossed recklessly from a moving vehicle but that's why you have to always maintain knowledge of what's going on around you. |
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Bike boxes - a failed experiment
=v= It's really misguided to point to one (1 -- count 'em! -- 1)
blog entry about one (1 -- count 'em! -- 1) year's data from one (1 -- count 'em! -- 1) locale and draw conclusions from it. _Jym_ |
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