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Muscle soreness, like, dislike?
On Sep 30, 7:54 am, Tom Anderson wrote:
I don't like being in pain. I put up with a little as a necessary evil, but i tend to think that if i'm really hurting, i've done something wrong. I rarely get real DOMS anymore, and that actually worries me because I've always associated it with a good hard workout. However, given that I'm "calming down" with age, anyway, I don't worry as much as I might have in the past...so it's all good; I take what I can get. I think I know "pain" from "discomfort" now and I rarely get the pain of DOMS these days...only the discomfort of it, which, given my one day on/one day off split, goes away quickly. Sadly, i got to a point where pretty much any leg pressing of calf raising would leave me in that kind of pain; i've never figured out what i'm doing wrong, so i don't do leg work as much as i should now. I even get painful knees when cycling (although it doesn't last after i stop), which really worries me. Anyway, i digress. Bum knees cycling? That's usually a matter of pedaling on the wrong gear: you should be spinning your way up the hill instead of grinding your knees on a harder-to-pedal gear in order to get some power out of each "stroke"...that, and maybe given your anatomy your knees are too close or too far from the whachamacallit, the pedal-thinggy that connects the pedal to the crank-thinggy.... tom -- taxidermy, high tide marks, sabotage, markets, folklore, subverting, . |
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On Sep 30, 8:31 am, Prisoner at War wrote:
On Sep 30, 7:54 am, Tom Anderson wrote: I don't like being in pain. I put up with a little as a necessary evil, but i tend to think that if i'm really hurting, i've done something wrong. I rarely get real DOMS anymore, and that actually worries me because I've always associated it with a good hard workout. However, given that I'm "calming down" with age, anyway, I don't worry as much as I might have in the past...so it's all good; I take what I can get. I think I know "pain" from "discomfort" now and I rarely get the pain of DOMS these days...only the discomfort of it, which, given my one day on/one day off split, goes away quickly. Sadly, i got to a point where pretty much any leg pressing of calf raising would leave me in that kind of pain; i've never figured out what i'm doing wrong, so i don't do leg work as much as i should now. I even get painful knees when cycling (although it doesn't last after i stop), which really worries me. Anyway, i digress. Bum knees cycling? That's usually a matter of pedaling on the wrong gear: you should be spinning your way up the hill instead of grinding your knees on a harder-to-pedal gear in order to get some power out of each "stroke"...that, and maybe given your anatomy your knees are too close or too far from the whachamacallit, the pedal-thinggy that connects the pedal to the crank-thinggy.... tom -- taxidermy, high tide marks, sabotage, markets, folklore, subverting, .- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Seat height can also cause knee pain if set up incorrectly. Too low and you may have pain on the front of the knee, too high and it will hurt in back. Having the wrong cleat angle on clipless pedals can also be a factor in knee pain. Smokey |
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On Sep 30, 9:44 am, "Steve Freides" wrote: SNIP elaboration of Smokey's remarks And Smokey, please don't add newsgroups to the list - cross-posting is bad enough around here, already, and someone can start a new thread elsewhere if they like whenever they like. Smokey, all these newsgroups are on-topic; what the hell do people like this mean when they complain about cross-posting? Absolutely bizarre, how anal-retentive some people are. We would have never had your comment if it weren't for my cross-posting. |
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On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, Prisoner at War wrote:
On Sep 30, 9:44 am, "Steve Freides" wrote: SNIP elaboration of Smokey's remarks And Smokey, please don't add newsgroups to the list - cross-posting is bad enough around here, already, and someone can start a new thread elsewhere if they like whenever they like. Smokey, all these newsgroups are on-topic; alt.support.chronic-pain? alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent? I don't think so. tom -- But for [Flavor Flav's] "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BOYYYYYYYYYY"s alone he should be given Rap Legend status. -- Nate Patrin, ILX |
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"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li... On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, Prisoner at War wrote: On Sep 30, 9:44 am, "Steve Freides" wrote: SNIP elaboration of Smokey's remarks And Smokey, please don't add newsgroups to the list - cross-posting is bad enough around here, already, and someone can start a new thread elsewhere if they like whenever they like. Smokey, all these newsgroups are on-topic; alt.support.chronic-pain? alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent? I don't think so. There are some news servers that I frequent, privately run although publicly visible, in which cross-posting is very much frowned upon (to the point where the sysops reprimand the cross-posters and only reply to one group, if at all), and I generally agree with that sentiment. Find the group that's most appropriate, have the conversation there and, when it's over, if you feel the need to ask the same or a similar question on another group, have at it. That said, I don't really care if mfw message are also cross-posted on things like misc.fitness.weights and the like, but beyond that, I think the idea of not cross-posting to widely different newsgroups is wise, even when the subject matter could be said to apply to more than one group. Just my opinion. -S- http://www.kbnj.com tom -- But for [Flavor Flav's] "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BOYYYYYYYYYY"s alone he should be given Rap Legend status. -- Nate Patrin, ILX |
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And Smokey, please don't add newsgroups to the list - cross-posting is bad enough around here, already, and someone can start a new thread elsewhere if they like whenever they like. Smokey, all these newsgroups are on-topic; what the hell do people like this mean when they complain about cross-posting? Absolutely bizarre, how anal-retentive some people are. We would have never had your comment if it weren't for my cross-posting. Cross-posting is odious. The diet newsgroups have some idiot cross-posting to the fat acceptance group, even! You've got it wrong--the people who object to your "look at me! I'm special!" cross-posting are not bizarre or anal-retentive. It's YOU! |
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On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, nmp wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 30 Sep 2007, wrote: [..] Seat height can also cause knee pain if set up incorrectly. Too low and you may have pain on the front of the knee, too high and it will hurt in back. Having the wrong cleat angle on clipless pedals can also be a factor in knee pain. Yebbut none of the geometry factors have changed. Using different (thicker/thinner) shoes perhaps? Even just 5mm can make a difference. Same shoes. But i seem to have been wrong about the geometry - see below. I think it's a combination of putting on weight and getting out of shape. Although bad gear use is probably also a significant factor: due to a badly-adjusted shifter i haven't got round to fixing, my bottom two gears are inaccessible, and whilst this doesn't matter on flats, on climbs, especially if i have a heavy pack, it means i'm pushing too hard. Then fix the shifter (or the derailleur as the case may be). Yes, it's the derailleur, sorry. It really can't be difficult. No, not terribly. I just keep putting it off. Part of the problem, though, is that the way the derailer works is different when the bike's upside down and the wheels are spinning free to how it is when it's under real load, which makes finding the right setting a really frustrating process. It just takes time, though; this weekend is a gaping void in my social calendar, maybe i'll do it then. There's also a psychology thing here, in that i'd rather push really hard (maintaining normal cadence) on a not-too-steep climb than shift down and slow down, due to macho bull****. Maintaining normal cadence[*] is the reason for shifting to a lower gear. I understand that. You can also keep up a normal cadence, stay in the same gear, and push harder. It's a bad idea, but it's what i sometimes end up doing. But yes, you will go slower. There is no shame in that. No, indeed. There are sometimes practical matters, though - there's one road with fairly heavy bus traffic, and if you can keep going fast up the hill, you can stay in phase with it, and avoid being overtaken. The road is busy, not as wide as it should be, and has a lot of bus stops, so if you do get overtaken, it's not fun, plus the bus will invariably then cut you up to pull in to its next stop. The rest of the time, i'm all in favour of slower. [*] Probably slightly faster than you are used to doing right now. Exactly what everyone always says! If we always took that advice, we'd end up pedalling at infinite speed! Possibly the geometry has always been suboptimal, but it's only now that it's starting to make itself felt. I should look into this. I don't have a local bike shop i really trust enough to sort it out better than i could myself, though. There isn't a shop in the world that could do it better than you could if you just knew what you were looking for. Because only you can ultimately decide if "it feels right". For seat height (everything else really just follows) you could try this: Have someone stabilise you (or hold yourself up against a wall or something) while sitting upright on your bike. Place your feet on the pedals as if you were riding, that is, try to place the joint at the base of your big toe (don't know its name in English, sorry) We call that the ball of the foot. squarely on the pedal for best "style" and leverage. Don't stretch out your feet. Pedal backwards, hold your hips still, your pelvis and spine should not move at all. Now with either pedal in the lowest position, your legs should never be stretched out completely, and just a tiny bit of a bend in your knees should be present at all times. Slightly different to how i've done it in the past, which is to go for a fully extended but flat-footed leg at the extreme of extension. It probably comes to much the same thing. Now, since we got talking about this, i checked my saddle height to make sure, and it was a good inch or so lower than it should be. I'm not sure why this is so; i don't think i've got taller, sadly, so i think it must have just slid down, or else i set it wrong at some point, possibly while fitting a mudguard. Anyway, it's now higher, and i might try to move it up further. It already feels more comfortable, although i still get some joint pain when going fast uphill. The real problem with geometry, for me, is with the forward-backward position of the saddle. I have no idea what that should be, and basically always leave it at the default position. tom -- so if you hear a chaffinch out on the pull attempting a severely off-key version of "Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys then you're not actually going mad. |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007, nmp wrote: [...] The real problem with geometry, for me, is with the forward-backward position of the saddle. I have no idea what that should be, and basically always leave it at the default position. tom Plenty of "How to's" on the Internet: http://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6...1064-1,00.html Spend the $30-50 to get a 'fit kit' done at any reputable bike shop, have them adjust the derailleur too. If you don't know what you're doing you'll waste a lot of time and adjusting it too far might run it right into your spokes. |
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