Vino Positive - Astana Pulls Out

On 24 Jul 2007 23:09:16 GMT, William Asher wrote:

But what about a personal stupidity almost beyond belief opposed to a
small conspiracy?

How about a bunch of smart and very tired people late at night in a hotel
room doing things they aren't really trained to do making a big mistake?
Is that more believable than conspiracy or stupidity?

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Bill Asher

These are seasoned pros. They should know how to do things by now. If
they knew they ****ed up, why wouldn't Vino either withdraw or be sure
he didn't win the stage.

Do you have the slightest idea what you're talking about? Are you aware that
the ID is written directly on the bag?

"chester" wrote in message
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More likely the labels got mixed on some bags of blood


Tom Kunich wrote:
"alex beascoechea" wrote in message
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"benjo maso" wrote in message
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But what about a personal stupidity almost beyond belief opposed to a
small conspiracy?
His racing style is stupid beyond belief. Maybe it is a general trait?

Well, you might have something there but nevertheless the idea that
anyone would be too stupid to get blood bags right has to be even dumber.

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On Jul 24, 8:00 pm, chester wrote:

Its stupid to suggest the others in the team and management didnt
know..

Isn't it stupider to suggest that people giving transfussions are stupid and
incompetent?

"newsgroups.comcast.net" wrote in message
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Any thoughts?

It isn't any surprise that you're too much of a coward to sign your name.

"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Jack Hollis" wrote in message
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According to the BBC.

Pre-race favourite Alexandre Vinokourov tested positive for blood
doping after winning Saturday's time-trial stage of the Tour de
France.

Vinokourov has asked for a second blood sample to be tested, but his
Astana team have now withdrawn from the race.

Is anyone wondering why Vino would resort to something as easily detected as
homologous blood transfusions? Even if he was that stupid, how could anyone
around him not inform him?

This is beginning to smell like a French Drug Testing Laboratory.....

Less diabolical and less stupid is a bag mix up.

It takes monumental stupidity to dope at this time with all the
scrutiny. It takes equal naivete to think he rebound was not aided in
some way.

Jack Hollis wrote in
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These are seasoned pros. They should know how to do things by now. If
they knew they ****ed up, why wouldn't Vino either withdraw or be sure
he didn't win the stage.

History is rife with "seasoned pros" making colossally stupid blunders
for reasons nobody can really explain later. I think they didn't know
they got the bags wrong, or maybe they knew and didn't believe the tests
would detect it.

It's not that I want him to be a doper, it's just I don't see any motive
that makes sense for anyone to want to frame him. Nobody wins in this
deal except under bizarre conspiracy scenarios that make little to no
sense.

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anton2468 wrote:
Yeah the cheating **** probably used Klotens blood.

It was a mix of Kloten, Salvodelli Ulrich and Deluca's blood. Its called a
Kazakh kocktail.

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Donald Munro wrote:
anton2468 wrote:
Yeah the cheating **** probably used Klotens blood.

It was a mix of Kloten, Salvodelli Ulrich and Deluca's blood. Its called a
Kazakh kocktail.


There is one theory that says that Vino is a vampire and hence having
someone else's blood mixed with his is just normal...