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http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

Jobst Brandt

wrote:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

Jobst Brandt

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was refuted
(correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third parties and
independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

-B

billyroll wrote:
wrote:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

Jobst Brandt

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was refuted
(correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third parties and
independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

-B

Do you have any third party support for your claim that one ought to
cite others? How can we trust your personal anecdote?

I guess what I'm saying is: billyroll, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

-Vee

billyroll wrote:
wrote:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

Jobst Brandt

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was refuted
(correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third parties and
independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

-B


The reason to cite yourself isn't to prove a point, but to avoid
repeating the same arguments over and over and over. Unfortunately,
too many are not thus inhibited.

Dan

Dan Connelly writes:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

Jobst Brandt

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was
refuted (correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third parties
and independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

The reason to cite yourself isn't to prove a point, but to avoid
repeating the same arguments over and over and over. Unfortunately,
too many are not thus inhibited.

As you say, this is to save rewriting the same story every time it
comes up. That is the definition of the FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions). I wasn't "citing" anything, only reducing repetition. I
detect a sense of injury with Billyboy's response. He failed to
notice that I didn't ask for volunteers of examples of wannabe pro
racers who blindly perform all these rituals.

Jobst Brandt

It is generally understood in law that third party evidential matter is the
strongest proof.

First party is Jobst citing himself
Second party is someone who's related to Jobst citing Jobst
Third party is someone independent in appearance and fact citing Jobst

"Vee" wrote in message
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billyroll wrote:
wrote:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

Jobst Brandt

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was refuted
(correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third parties and
independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

-B

Do you have any third party support for your claim that one ought to
cite others? How can we trust your personal anecdote?

I guess what I'm saying is: billyroll, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

-Vee

Reads like a personal opinion based on antidotal information

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Dan Connelly writes:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

Jobst Brandt

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was
refuted (correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third parties
and independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your point,
cite someone other than yourself.

The reason to cite yourself isn't to prove a point, but to avoid
repeating the same arguments over and over and over. Unfortunately,
too many are not thus inhibited.

As you say, this is to save rewriting the same story every time it
comes up. That is the definition of the FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions). I wasn't "citing" anything, only reducing repetition. I
detect a sense of injury with Billyboy's response. He failed to
notice that I didn't ask for volunteers of examples of wannabe pro
racers who blindly perform all these rituals.

Jobst Brandt

Chris who? writes:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was
refuted (correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third
parties and independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your
point, cite someone other than yourself.

The reason to cite yourself isn't to prove a point, but to avoid
repeating the same arguments over and over and over.
Unfortunately, too many are not thus inhibited.

As you say, this is to save rewriting the same story every time it
comes up. That is the definition of the FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions). I wasn't "citing" anything, only reducing repetition.
I detect a sense of injury with Billyboy's response. He failed to
notice that I didn't ask for volunteers of examples of wannabe pro
racers who blindly perform all these rituals.

Reads like a personal opinion based on antidotal information.

So? You can disagree with my opinion and find fault with it if you
like. That's what this forum is about. As you see the article is my
assessment of bicyclists who take shaving legs as a sign of belonging.

If you feel injured by the characterization, say so. I sense that you
shave for all the bogus reasons often claimed by those who shave legs.
I've fallen from a bicycle most of the ways one can and unshaven legs
was never mentioned nor were my legs shaved around the raspberries.
Broken collar bones and ones in the hand were also not affected, even
if I had shaved my legs.

I wrote that piece long ago because I had to listen to the excuses
from riders who were torn between being called effeminate for shaving
and wanting to look like a professional racer. Make up your mind.
We don't need no steenkin leg shaves!

Jobst Brandt

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Chris who? writes:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was
refuted (correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third
parties and independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your
point, cite someone other than yourself.

The reason to cite yourself isn't to prove a point, but to avoid
repeating the same arguments over and over and over.
Unfortunately, too many are not thus inhibited.

As you say, this is to save rewriting the same story every time it
comes up. That is the definition of the FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions). I wasn't "citing" anything, only reducing repetition.
I detect a sense of injury with Billyboy's response. He failed to
notice that I didn't ask for volunteers of examples of wannabe pro
racers who blindly perform all these rituals.

Reads like a personal opinion based on antidotal information.

So? You can disagree with my opinion and find fault with it if you
like. That's what this forum is about. As you see the article is my
assessment of bicyclists who take shaving legs as a sign of belonging.

If you feel injured by the characterization, say so. I sense that you
shave for all the bogus reasons often claimed by those who shave legs.
I've fallen from a bicycle most of the ways one can and unshaven legs
was never mentioned nor were my legs shaved around the raspberries.
Broken collar bones and ones in the hand were also not affected, even
if I had shaved my legs.

I wrote that piece long ago because I had to listen to the excuses
from riders who were torn between being called effeminate for shaving
and wanting to look like a professional racer. Make up your mind.
We don't need no steenkin leg shaves!

I haven't read that in a while and won't go back and re-read it now. As I
recall I agreed with most of your expressed opinions and indeed can't even
believe that so many cyclists shave their legs. I CAN however think of a
really good reason for professional racers to shave their legs. Massage
REALLY tears the hair out by the roots if done properly and pros have
massages every day.

And at least at my age (which ain't all that far removed from yours) I can
really tell the difference in how well I pedal if I'm receiving massage
regularly.

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Chris who? writes:

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/shaving.html

I worked for a guy once that exclusively cited his own work for
reference. Not long after I left, the majority of his work was
refuted (correctly) by other guys who cited reputable third
parties and independent research.

I guess what I'm saying is: Jobst, if you want to prove your
point, cite someone other than yourself.

The reason to cite yourself isn't to prove a point, but to avoid
repeating the same arguments over and over and over.
Unfortunately, too many are not thus inhibited.

As you say, this is to save rewriting the same story every time it
comes up. That is the definition of the FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions). I wasn't "citing" anything, only reducing repetition.
I detect a sense of injury with Billyboy's response. He failed to
notice that I didn't ask for volunteers of examples of wannabe pro
racers who blindly perform all these rituals.

Reads like a personal opinion based on antidotal information.

So? You can disagree with my opinion and find fault with it if you
like. That's what this forum is about. As you see the article is my
assessment of bicyclists who take shaving legs as a sign of belonging.

If you feel injured by the characterization, say so. I sense that you
shave for all the bogus reasons often claimed by those who shave legs.
I've fallen from a bicycle most of the ways one can and unshaven legs
was never mentioned nor were my legs shaved around the raspberries.
Broken collar bones and ones in the hand were also not affected, even
if I had shaved my legs.

I wrote that piece long ago because I had to listen to the excuses
from riders who were torn between being called effeminate for shaving
and wanting to look like a professional racer. Make up your mind.
We don't need no steenkin leg shaves!

Maybe that's the antidotal (sic sic sic) information Chris mentioned.

Bill "you're slipping, JB" S.