Euphemism for Illegal Mountain Bike Trails: "Gray Trails"

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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: On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:17:10 -0400, "userfriendly"
: wrote:
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: : I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
: : humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
: : years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
: :
:
: Are you an evolutionist? If so, how can humans be kept out of a "pure
: habitat"? We're PART OF nature! Don't you understand that?
:
: That's not the REAL question. The REAL question is WHICH part of
: nature are we? Certainly the most destuctive part!
:
: As a species, we are native to Africa, and everwhere else a newcomer
: (exotic species). Wildlife lived in human-free habitat for almost 4
: billion years, and is adapted to it.

Our dominance is an evolutionary trait that is, therefore, to be embraced.
Otherwise, evolution as a natural mechanism is being ignored.

Destructive according to who?

On Thu, 31 May 2007 23:10:33 -0400, "userfriendly"
wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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: On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:17:10 -0400, "userfriendly"
: wrote:
:
:
: : I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
: : humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
: : years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
: :
:
: Are you an evolutionist? If so, how can humans be kept out of a "pure
: habitat"? We're PART OF nature! Don't you understand that?
:
: That's not the REAL question. The REAL question is WHICH part of
: nature are we? Certainly the most destuctive part!
:
: As a species, we are native to Africa, and everwhere else a newcomer
: (exotic species). Wildlife lived in human-free habitat for almost 4
: billion years, and is adapted to it.

Our dominance is an evolutionary trait that is, therefore, to be embraced.
Otherwise, evolution as a natural mechanism is being ignored.

BS. Evolution is amoral. Humans claim to respect morality.

Destructive according to who?

Where have you been? On Mars? Everyone else knows that humans are the
most destructive species on the Earth.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
news : On Thu, 31 May 2007 23:10:33 -0400, "userfriendly"
: wrote:
:
: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
: .. .
: : On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:17:10 -0400, "userfriendly"
: : wrote:
: :
: :
: : : I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
: : : humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
: : : years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
: : :
: :
: : Are you an evolutionist? If so, how can humans be kept out of a "pure
: : habitat"? We're PART OF nature! Don't you understand that?
: :
: : That's not the REAL question. The REAL question is WHICH part of
: : nature are we? Certainly the most destuctive part!
: :
: : As a species, we are native to Africa, and everwhere else a newcomer
: : (exotic species). Wildlife lived in human-free habitat for almost 4
: : billion years, and is adapted to it.
:
: Our dominance is an evolutionary trait that is, therefore, to be
embraced.
: Otherwise, evolution as a natural mechanism is being ignored.
:
: BS. Evolution is amoral. Humans claim to respect morality.

Who decides what is moral? You? Morality is relative, is it not?

:
: Destructive according to who?
:
: Where have you been? On Mars? Everyone else knows that humans are the
: most destructive species on the Earth.

Prove it.

userfriendly wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
news : Destructive according to who?
:
: Where have you been? On Mars? Everyone else knows that humans are the
: most destructive species on the Earth.

Prove it.



Look around. If it doesn't serve 'our' purpose we cut it down, bulldoze
it, or whatever to destroy nature and build our stuff on it.
We are now responsible for the greatest extinction rate since the
dinosaurs. Global warming gets all the press because it will affect the
ever so precious HUMAN race, and very little ever gets talked about as
to how we are destroying nature globally. We are just another animal
species, albeit one with just enough smarts to make tools to eradicate
much of nature. We are just a small blip on the radar of global time but
making one hell of a dent in the state of the planet.
Bill Baka

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:21:26 -0400, "userfriendly"
wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
news : On Thu, 31 May 2007 23:10:33 -0400, "userfriendly"
: wrote:
:
: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
: .. .
: : On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:17:10 -0400, "userfriendly"
: : wrote:
: :
: :
: : : I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
: : : humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
: : : years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
: : :
: :
: : Are you an evolutionist? If so, how can humans be kept out of a "pure
: : habitat"? We're PART OF nature! Don't you understand that?
: :
: : That's not the REAL question. The REAL question is WHICH part of
: : nature are we? Certainly the most destuctive part!
: :
: : As a species, we are native to Africa, and everwhere else a newcomer
: : (exotic species). Wildlife lived in human-free habitat for almost 4
: : billion years, and is adapted to it.
:
: Our dominance is an evolutionary trait that is, therefore, to be
embraced.
: Otherwise, evolution as a natural mechanism is being ignored.
:
: BS. Evolution is amoral. Humans claim to respect morality.

Who decides what is moral? You? Morality is relative, is it not?

:
: Destructive according to who?
:
: Where have you been? On Mars? Everyone else knows that humans are the
: most destructive species on the Earth.

Prove it.

Global warming, ozone depletion, the atomic bomb, nuclear power
plants, air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution, soil
pollution, species extinction, etc. QED
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

"Bill" wrote in message
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: userfriendly wrote:
: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
: news : : Destructive according to who?
: :
: : Where have you been? On Mars? Everyone else knows that humans are the
: : most destructive species on the Earth.
:
: Prove it.
:
:
:
: Look around. If it doesn't serve 'our' purpose we cut it down, bulldoze
: it, or whatever to destroy nature and build our stuff on it.
: We are now responsible for the greatest extinction rate since the
: dinosaurs. Global warming gets all the press because it will affect the
: ever so precious HUMAN race, and very little ever gets talked about as
: to how we are destroying nature globally. We are just another animal
: species, albeit one with just enough smarts to make tools to eradicate
: much of nature. We are just a small blip on the radar of global time but
: making one hell of a dent in the state of the planet.
: Bill Baka

What's wrong with making the earth serve our purpose? I don't belong to
this earth, it belongs to me. And I don't apologize for that.

We're not a blip- we ARE what this world is about. Global warming is junk
science. Get your head out of the sand.

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
: On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:21:26 -0400, "userfriendly"
: wrote:
:
: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
: news : : On Thu, 31 May 2007 23:10:33 -0400, "userfriendly"
: : wrote:
: :
: : "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
: : .. .
: : : On Sat, 26 May 2007 01:17:10 -0400, "userfriendly"
: : : wrote:
: : :
: : :
: : : : I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
: : : : humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
: : : : years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
: : : :
: : :
: : : Are you an evolutionist? If so, how can humans be kept out of a
"pure
: : : habitat"? We're PART OF nature! Don't you understand that?
: : :
: : : That's not the REAL question. The REAL question is WHICH part of
: : : nature are we? Certainly the most destuctive part!
: : :
: : : As a species, we are native to Africa, and everwhere else a newcomer
: : : (exotic species). Wildlife lived in human-free habitat for almost 4
: : : billion years, and is adapted to it.
: :
: : Our dominance is an evolutionary trait that is, therefore, to be
: embraced.
: : Otherwise, evolution as a natural mechanism is being ignored.
: :
: : BS. Evolution is amoral. Humans claim to respect morality.
:
: Who decides what is moral? You? Morality is relative, is it not?
:
: :
: : Destructive according to who?
: :
: : Where have you been? On Mars? Everyone else knows that humans are the
: : most destructive species on the Earth.
:
: Prove it.
:
Global warming (hoax)

ozone depletion (Hoax)

the atomic bomb (great deterent)

nuclear power plants (useful)

air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution (those aren't equivalent,
nor are they all that destructive at this point)

soil pollution (see above)

species extinction (has always occurred and will continue. Big deal)

We need Vendeman extinction.

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:39:27 -0400, "userfriendly"
wrote:

"Bill" wrote in message
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: userfriendly wrote:
: "Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
: news : : Destructive according to who?
: :
: : Where have you been? On Mars? Everyone else knows that humans are the
: : most destructive species on the Earth.
:
: Prove it.
:
:
:
: Look around. If it doesn't serve 'our' purpose we cut it down, bulldoze
: it, or whatever to destroy nature and build our stuff on it.
: We are now responsible for the greatest extinction rate since the
: dinosaurs. Global warming gets all the press because it will affect the
: ever so precious HUMAN race, and very little ever gets talked about as
: to how we are destroying nature globally. We are just another animal
: species, albeit one with just enough smarts to make tools to eradicate
: much of nature. We are just a small blip on the radar of global time but
: making one hell of a dent in the state of the planet.
: Bill Baka

What's wrong with making the earth serve our purpose? I don't belong to
this earth, it belongs to me. And I don't apologize for that.

We're not a blip- we ARE what this world is about. Global warming is junk
science. Get your head out of the sand.

Thanks for demonstrating exactly what throw-backs mountain bikers are.
Don't let your knuckles drag on the ground.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

In message , userfriendly
writes
:
Global warming (hoax)

ozone depletion (Hoax)

the atomic bomb (great deterent)

nuclear power plants (useful)

air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution (those aren't equivalent,
nor are they all that destructive at this point)

soil pollution (see above)

species extinction (has always occurred and will continue. Big deal)

We need Vendeman extinction.


Is there no middle ground in this group? You appear to be the equal and
opposite of Vandermann, which brackets you firmly in the ****wit
category. Your attitude is the reason why the world hates America at the
moment.
--
Devs
"Punchdown Pete the old Kroner"

On 2007-06-04, Devs wrote:
In message , userfriendly
writes
:
Global warming (hoax)

ozone depletion (Hoax)

the atomic bomb (great deterent)

nuclear power plants (useful)

air pollution, water pollution, noise pollution (those aren't equivalent,
nor are they all that destructive at this point)

soil pollution (see above)

species extinction (has always occurred and will continue. Big deal)

We need Vendeman extinction.

Is there no middle ground in this group? You appear to be the equal and
opposite of Vandermann, which brackets you firmly in the ****wit
category. Your attitude is the reason why the world hates America at the
moment.


It is, in fact, making Americans a little nervous about
America ...

Where in the world have we found all these nutcases who argue the
Earth is 6,000 years old, that girls sexually abused by their
fathers should have to carry the baby to term, and that we should
have draft dodgers (incompetently) waging pre-emptive war and
paying for it by running up the national debt?

Pretty amazing.

If it makes you feel any better, there are Americans who believe
that protecting the environment is worth doing, it's a good idea
to have plenty of places to ride mountain bikes, and that the
real goal in life is to seek harmony with all of mankind and nature.

Cheers, Wolf.


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Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L
Angeles Chapter LTC Admin Chair http://angeles.sierraclub.org/ltc/
P.O. Box 6831, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6831