Is Drillium Cool Again?

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:52:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

RonSonic wrote:
Has drillium reached the age of retro cool?
Or is it not yet time for it to appear again?
I'm refitting an old bike and need to know whether to break out the drill press
and start jigging things.


The bar is higher now:
http://www.raydobbins.com/ebay/bike-...s_for_sale.htm

Got a couple hundred hours to spare?

Nice. Amazing he can sell it for that given the time and parts budget this thing
absorbed. But it's enough for him to afford to do another so it's probably
enough.

I don't even know who made my mongrel so we'll just let the thoroughbreds like
that be.

someone wrote:
On 24 June, 05:33, jim beam wrote:
someone wrote:
On 24 June, 00:55, RonSonic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:52:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
RonSonic wrote:
Has drillium reached the age of retro cool?
Or is it not yet time for it to appear again?
I'm refitting an old bike and need to know whether to break out the drill press
and start jigging things.
The bar is higher now:
http://www.raydobbins.com/ebay/bike-...s_for_sale.htm
Got a couple hundred hours to spare?
Nice. Amazing he can sell it for that given the time and parts budget this thing
absorbed. But it's enough for him to afford to do another so it's probably
enough.
I don't even know who made my mongrel so we'll just let the thoroughbreds like
that be.
Components usually end up getting polished and/or lightened because of
crash damage. �Todays carbon parts will fetch a premiun in forty years
time because few will survive the crash damage.
eh? �that erroneously presumes it's as strong as traditional materials.
� in fact, quality cfrp is stronger. �thus it'll break less frequently,
not more.

Absobloodylutely ' it'll ' break precisely once and be binned. No
spares, no reconstruction, no polishing out the scuff marks. Broke
and bin.

eh? so you're going to "repair" a buckled tube? or straighten and use
a bent brake lever? don't think so trevor!

RonSonic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:33:43 -0700, jim beam wrote:

someone wrote:
On 24 June, 00:55, RonSonic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:52:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
RonSonic wrote:
Has drillium reached the age of retro cool?
Or is it not yet time for it to appear again?
I'm refitting an old bike and need to know whether to break out the drill press
and start jigging things.
The bar is higher now:
http://www.raydobbins.com/ebay/bike-...s_for_sale.htm
Got a couple hundred hours to spare?
Nice. Amazing he can sell it for that given the time and parts budget this thing
absorbed. But it's enough for him to afford to do another so it's probably
enough.

I don't even know who made my mongrel so we'll just let the thoroughbreds like
that be.
Components usually end up getting polished and/or lightened because of
crash damage. Todays carbon parts will fetch a premiun in forty years
time because few will survive the crash damage.
eh? that erroneously presumes it's as strong as traditional materials.
in fact, quality cfrp is stronger. thus it'll break less frequently,
not more.

We'll really have to see how it ages. My personal experience with carbon is
limited but favorable.

How well the stuff holds up for the general market will vary according to
application and the implementation of new breakrhroughs in cutting corners.

my cfrp commuter fork is 20 years old and is holding up just great.

On Jun 23, 6:55*pm, RonSonic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:52:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
RonSonic wrote:
Has drillium reached the age of retro cool?
Or is it not yet time for it to appear again?
I'm refitting an old bike and need to know whether to break out the drill press
and start jigging things.

The bar is higher now:
http://www.raydobbins.com/ebay/bike-...s_for_sale.htm

Got a couple hundred hours to spare?

Nice. Amazing he can sell it for that given the time and parts budget this thing
absorbed.

I'm not sure the selling price is low or not. I suspect its actually
way too high. The drilling out of the parts ruined these Nuove/Super
Record parts for collecting value. So unless your plan is to actually
ride the bike, its not worth much more than the frame. Not sure there
is any collector value on Gios steel frames. I'm sure its an OK
riding bike. And if you love friction shifting, its probably
wonderful. But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are
riding right now will shift the same as this bike. No performance
upgrade to be had.

On Jun 23, 6:55 pm, RonSonic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:52:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
RonSonic wrote:
Has drillium reached the age of retro cool?
Or is it not yet time for it to appear again?
I'm refitting an old bike and need to know whether to break out the drill press
and start jigging things.
The bar is higher now:
http://www.raydobbins.com/ebay/bike-...s_for_sale.htm
Got a couple hundred hours to spare?
Nice. Amazing he can sell it for that given the time and parts budget this thing
absorbed.

wrote:
I'm not sure the selling price is low or not. I suspect its actually
way too high. The drilling out of the parts ruined these Nuove/Super
Record parts for collecting value. So unless your plan is to actually
ride the bike, its not worth much more than the frame. Not sure there
is any collector value on Gios steel frames. I'm sure its an OK
riding bike. And if you love friction shifting, its probably
wonderful. But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are
riding right now will shift the same as this bike. No performance
upgrade to be had.

I would guess there are no pinups in your workplace then?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:17:05 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Jun 23, 6:55*pm, RonSonic wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:52:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
RonSonic wrote:
Has drillium reached the age of retro cool?
Or is it not yet time for it to appear again?
I'm refitting an old bike and need to know whether to break out the drill press
and start jigging things.

The bar is higher now:
http://www.raydobbins.com/ebay/bike-...s_for_sale.htm

Got a couple hundred hours to spare?

Nice. Amazing he can sell it for that given the time and parts budget this thing
absorbed.

I'm not sure the selling price is low or not. I suspect its actually
way too high. The drilling out of the parts ruined these Nuove/Super
Record parts for collecting value.

Only if sold without the rest of the group and bike.

So unless your plan is to actually
ride the bike, its not worth much more than the frame. Not sure there
is any collector value on Gios steel frames. I'm sure its an OK
riding bike. And if you love friction shifting, its probably
wonderful. But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are
riding right now will shift the same as this bike. No performance
upgrade to be had.

Except that the thing is gorgeous and my bike isn't. That's a fairly difficult
to quantify form of performance but valid nonetheless. I would definitely plan
on riding it.

It is a weird folk art sort of aesthetic, I'll admit. But not different in
character from well established forms like this,
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...ictureid=83414

Yes, that work is also "new."

On 2009-06-24, wrote:

And if you love friction shifting, its probably
wonderful. But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are
riding right now will shift the same as this bike. No performance
upgrade to be had.

Meh. Campy friction shifters were nothing special. People who wanted
better shifters installed Simplex "retrofriction" shifters instead of
Campy.

--

-John )

On Jun 24, 7:59*pm, John Thompson wrote:
On 2009-06-24, wrote:

And if you love friction shifting, its probably
wonderful. *But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are
riding right now will shift the same as this bike. *No performance
upgrade to be had.

Meh. Campy friction shifters were nothing special. People who wanted
better shifters installed Simplex "retrofriction" shifters instead of
Campy.

Only the dorks used Simplex. The hard core stuck with Campy friction
shifters and suffered for fashion. It was a built in excuse for
getting dropped out of a finishing sprint. That and defective toe
clip straps. -- Jay Beattie.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:37:24 -0400, Still Just Me...
wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:33:52 -0400, RonSonic
wrote:


Except that the thing is gorgeous and my bike isn't. That's a fairly difficult
to quantify form of performance but valid nonetheless. I would definitely plan
on riding it.

Yep, you could ride as a masochistic experiment on which overly
drilled component would fail first. Maybe you could get Vegas to run
odds on it.

It is a weird folk art sort of aesthetic, I'll admit. But not different in
character from well established forms like this,
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...ictureid=83414

Yes, that work is also "new."

Not available without login.

Damn, I hate when that happens. This isn't the same photo or subject or even
style of subject, but still awesome in its way:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/?p=3485


In the meantime, here's some bicycle art:
http://sfgfc.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/bike-babe.jpg

That's hot.

Jay Beattie wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:59 pm, John Thompson wrote:
On 2009-06-24, wrote:

And if you love friction shifting, its probably
wonderful. But if you love friction shifting, then whatever you are
riding right now will shift the same as this bike. No performance
upgrade to be had.
Meh. Campy friction shifters were nothing special. People who wanted
better shifters installed Simplex "retrofriction" shifters instead of
Campy.

Only the dorks used Simplex. The hard core stuck with Campy friction
shifters and suffered for fashion. It was a built in excuse for
getting dropped out of a finishing sprint. That and defective toe
clip straps. -- Jay Beattie.

Huh. I though the usual protocol after losing a sprint was
to throw the bicycle and yell at the mechanic.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971