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Interesting angle here - http://tinyurl.com/4n5lce5 *
(* it's just a direct link to a jpg, no need for alarm...) A wheelchair user adopts the 'Taking The Lane' strategy, in a US city by the looks of the picture. I hadn't heard of this before, but it seems perfectly feasible that disability rights campaigners might assert their entitlement to use roads along with other vehicles and users (I guess they'd rightly say it is smoother and more convenient to go straight down the centre lane than to negotiate multiple crossings, kerbs and ramps etc on the pavement). Here in UK we now have ubiquitous electric shopping carts. It's not always clear what their Road Traffic Act status is, but they are a frequent sight in most towns and suburbs nowadays, trundling randomly along the roads, pavements and retail premises (and leaving a wake of damage sometimes). Throw in the Segways, and the electrically-aided bicycles, and the walking aids (wheeled zimmer frames) and the nature of modern traffic suddenly changes quite markedly. Will the future public highway need to have a 'slow vehicle' lane, positioned between the pedestrian pavement and the motor traffic lane(s)? |
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Steve Walker wrote:
Will the future public highway need to have a 'slow vehicle' lane, positioned between the pedestrian pavement and the motor traffic lane(s)? Maybe, maybe not .. if the 'slow lane' is as well-kept as most cycle lanes then it probably wouldn't be worth it. Personally, I'd say no. There's no great problem with slow road users mixing with faster road users in most towns, so long as those slow users realise that there are some roads that they would simply be unsafe on and might cause more problems for themselves than they solve, given than many 'fast' (probably a relative term in a congested city) vehicles might not be driven as well as they ought to be. -- Paul - xxx |
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Hash: SHA1 On 02/03/2011 19:17, Steve Walker wrote: A wheelchair user adopts the 'Taking The Lane' strategy, in a US city by the looks of the picture. I hadn't heard of this before, but it seems perfectly feasible that disability rights campaigners might assert their entitlement to use roads along with other vehicles and users (I guess they'd rightly say it is smoother and more convenient to go straight down the centre lane than to negotiate multiple crossings, kerbs and ramps etc on the pavement). And it's not really possible to use the margins of US roads due to their atrocious conditions. I can think of several places in Manhattan where this kind of action would be not only perfectly reasonable but not cause a problem, but equally many places in the US where some redneck in a truck would run you down just because, so it's a pretty bold action. - -- Guy Chapman, http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk The usenet price promise: all opinions are guaranteed to be worth at least what you paid for them. PGP public key at http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/pgp-public.key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNbrxWAAoJEJx9ogI8T+W/XMIIAKbS6t/oSUD4tr0uPNrWhAF4 oHdaMYH24MvEINOR1cF2dopBMgG40dO1r/gHmVd+Zn/1mapTPVPlLLRQX756kBxC b+5OVICcbviYG9DUHFwJ6+UzBRQbZNQq4YyyioTie2BIcDJ+i7 GWKZNqO9yNq59h 5TyDwT6OyoPuPZ24FVh8J6LB2NqHpXmVvgT5H2ZANSGe4AzwDu WXkR8TusddqAuW UeucY5q3lXM4S6umwdAhYm2fILWkTkzzhwS7pQ4ADgMP5lqoKn wp7rP7fJG79Vif 1LIyUCcWHPanAMVd5cYdO87Y8pr9BJ0AIRJ2L/3AX29yViRSV6rR4BDQ4Pe3Kbs= =lwqI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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On Mar 2, 9:53*pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote: some redneck in a truck would run you down just because I'm generally no fan of rednecks, but you're being ridiculous, and not for the first time. If you want someone who hates certain road users so much that he knowingly endangers lives then I suggest you look closer to home. Supporting anti-car measures which you know to be killing people isn't a whole lot better than deliberately running people down. |
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Paul - xxx wrote:
Steve Walker wrote: Will the future public highway need to have a 'slow vehicle' lane, positioned between the pedestrian pavement and the motor traffic lane(s)? Maybe, maybe not .. if the 'slow lane' is as well-kept as most cycle lanes then it probably wouldn't be worth it. Personally, I'd say no. There's no great problem with slow road users mixing with faster road users in most towns, so long as those slow users realise that there are some roads that they would simply be unsafe on and might cause more problems for themselves than they solve, given than many 'fast' (probably a relative term in a congested city) vehicles might not be driven as well as they ought to be. I would agree with that - a general speed limit reduction for urban space seems sensible anyway. But I wonder about the safety of a manual wheelchair with a dim rear light wombling along an open road at night. They just really do belong on the pavement. Incidentally my 'slow lane' would be several meters wide and properly surfaced, because there would be a lot of overtaking and paralleling going on. But then the wheelchair user or Segway user will ask why we think it's OK for a cyclist to block a lane and trundle along at 20mph on an open road, and it's not so easy. Pragmatically, the cyclist is much better equipped to be agile in such conditions and would be safer than an 8mph disability scooter with a rain hood, but to an 38 tonne truck who hasn't stopped since Rotterdam, the distinction might come too late. |
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On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:03:23 -0800, Nuxx Bar wrote:
I'm generally no fan of rednecks, but you're being ridiculous, and not for the first time. If you want someone who hates certain road users so much that he knowingly endangers lives then I suggest you look closer to home. Supporting anti-car measures which you know to be killing people isn't a whole lot better than deliberately running people down. And not even TMH deliberately runs people down. -- 67.4% of statistics are made up. |
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